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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2008, 02:28:57 PM »

I've brought this issue up before on my own - no armor and horse required Wink.
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« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2008, 02:31:03 PM »

Wow, when is that coming out?

I said the theoretical deluxe version.
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« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2008, 02:32:00 PM »

White Knighting?  Tap two white mana for a 1/1 with First Strike?!  (I could be definately wrong about that.. but I think that's what White Knight was in MTG...)

2/2, protection from black (first strike was right). Wink
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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2008, 02:35:42 PM »

Well, yeah. Theoretically, when would it come out?  Grin
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« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2008, 02:41:18 PM »

Well, yeah. Theoretically, when would it come out?  Grin

Whenever the Crafty guys thing it might be profitable or at least break even and worth the hassle. They said it was something they were possibly considering. Pestering about it will not make it come faster and it will only annoy them which may lead them to say the heck with it and stop contemplating such a version.

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« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2008, 02:45:33 PM »

Psion, is that white knighting? ^
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« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2008, 02:52:51 PM »

And look, you've just forced yourself to spend $15-40 on a new keyboard all due to your disbelief!  Undecided

That's where I was clever. I made that previous post at work, so it wasn't my keyboard which was damaged. Anyway, it was a virtual tea-spitting, so I'll leave this here and move on.

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$80 US is about $100 NZ, and shipping and import duties could easily amount to the $40 US to bring the cost to $150 NZ.

Actually, the gaming stores here just take the US price and double it (sometimes adding a little more on top), but you're on the right track. It would be easier just to purchase the books online and have them shipped out, but I believe in supporting locals.

If Crafty were to bring out a theoretical limited run, full colour version which cost US$80 I wouldn't mind so much - as long as you could pick up the black and white version at the normal price. It's the old 'Special Features' thing with DVDs and CDs. People who want that bit extra are often willing to pay a bit more for it, but there are always those out there who want the basic 'meat and potatoes' version at the cheaper price.

EDIT: I'm honestly not White Knighting here, myself. Sure, I'm a Crafty Super Fan, but that is not coming into play here. Besides, I'm much more of a Hurloon Minotaurerer...
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« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2008, 02:57:53 PM »

Kind of like DVDs, huh?
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« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2008, 04:53:44 PM »

OK, Ezram, enough. You appear to be acting contrarian for the sake of 'keeping it real,' but all it's doing is looking like thread-baiting. Please recognize that everyone has the right to like whatever version they want, and that their preference for b/w is just as valid as your preference for color. 
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« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2008, 05:02:17 PM »

Not when it appears to be a form of brainwashing, it isn't.
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« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2008, 05:53:40 PM »

Not when it appears to be a form of brainwashing, it isn't.

Maybe I'm not making myself clear, so I will try it this way: no one is forced to believe anything. No one is being fed "magic kool aid" or being strapped to a chair or being held hostage and forcefully indoctrinated into liking a black and white book. They just do. If you come to the Crafty forums to ask a question about Crafty products from Crafty fans, don't be surprised when those fans are generally positive about what Crafty's doing. That's not brainwashing, that's opinion. To be surprised by this fact is like going to the RNC then being surprised that most attendees are socially conservative.

You don't agree with them, they don't agree with you. You both have that right, but neither one of you is going to change the other's mind. So there it ends. No need to try to pick fights. 

You ARE being contrary. Please stop it.
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« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2008, 06:04:46 PM »

Repeated many times, but the difference is, they didn't do anything other than omit the coloring due to the nature of the printing.

It comes around and when he mentions the second path, one has to wonder if he's realized what happened.
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« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2008, 06:20:31 PM »

Repeated many times, but the difference is, they didn't do anything other than omit the coloring due to the nature of the printing.

Here's something to actually discuss, then. Smiley We did not just take the color files and print in b/w - we actually made substantial adjustments to that book - twice Wink. The tables, especially Chapter 4, are the easiest example - if you don't have the PDF, you won't know that the tables are still color in that file, while they're in alternating "accountant style" lines. Likewise, all images and tables were color adjusted for b/w to make sure they actually printed in a greyscale range. The darkness of "ghosted" images, that some complained make a number of pages in first printing, were reduced considerably to make teh book more readable. Artifacts along the outside edge were reduced and elminated to make a cleaner book.

Granted, we did not re-contract all the art or template - it would have cost us far more than we had to spend - but we did go out of our way to make the book as b/w friendly as we could in the process. The changes are subtle, but the work was (agonizingly) done over last spring and summer by Pat. I totally understand how they could be missed, but the work was put in.

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It comes around and when he mentions the second path, one has to wonder if he's realized what happened.

We're all adults here. Give him the benefit of the doubt and move on. Pressing the point is going to continue to throw this thread off track.
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« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2008, 06:55:06 PM »

Just want to throw my two cents again as being someone who prefers the black and white printing. It's less distracting, less cartoony, and easier to read (especially the tables.) If I bought the pdf, I'd probably turn the color off when I was reading it.

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« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2008, 10:01:00 PM »

Aside from which, it sounds like Portal has pretty much concluded that PDF is the solution for him; I don't see any need for white knighting.

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