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« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2014, 11:43:24 AM »

So here's an interesting subject: So covert ops are in the game, and work in general to how they did in Civ 5 with some tweaks.  And it turns out ARC, the one with this symbol, are the spy specialists.  Who knew?  Roll Eyes

The question is: how would that work cross-Affinity?  The first two levels, sure, when humans are still like they are today, with some slight ideological differences.  But when level three roles around, and those ideals kick into full on modification of the human body?  How would spying work then?  Would Purity spies go full on borg to fit in with the Supremacy population?  What if they then are moved to a Harmony city afterwards?

I mean, of course makeup technology would probably advance to the point where you could fake being modified a certain way, but I'm curious how the smart "spy" people of these boards would approach something like that.  And you don't have be Purity when theorizing.  How would Harmony spy on Supremacy, and vice versa?
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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2014, 01:33:39 PM »

Interesting question.
Could be a presumption of mixed populations -"there will always be Outsiders, but we tolerate/enslave/poke them." So people always kinda fit in.
Or it could be direct application of Handwavium. Huh?
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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2014, 01:47:15 PM »

The usual ways:  Running locals out of your embassy, honey pots, ELINT, "thousand grains of sand" if there is significant movement of people.
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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2014, 08:54:59 PM »

The usual ways:  Running locals out of your embassy, honey pots, ELINT, "thousand grains of sand" if there is significant movement of people.


Well that's a boring answer if I ever heard it. Tongue Wink
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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2014, 11:06:50 PM »

So let's dress it up a little.
Does anyone know of an instance when all those approaches didn't work?
The hinterlands of Afghanistan maybe?
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2014, 08:42:26 PM »

The hinterlands of Afghanistan maybe?
Local stringers and ELINT.  Sorry.
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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2014, 08:55:54 PM »

The hinterlands of Afghanistan maybe?
Local stringers and ELINT.  Sorry.

Nah, good to know. Information -> Power. I'd rather expose my ignorance and be thought a fool then keep my mouth shut and actually be one. (with apologies to Confucious.)

So you'd need total barriers.
No shared languages, no cultural connections, zero tolerance for outsiders, and uh... semaphore?
And, most difficulty imo, a seamless control of physical access.
All that's possible, if not entirely plausible, on something like a space station for example.
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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2014, 11:13:51 PM »

Even that isn't a guarantee, we're still learning things about Mesopotamians who have been dead for 4,000+ years.
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