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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2012, 12:14:13 PM »

Sheriffs in Arizona are based upon counties and handle law enforcement affairs outside the purview of cities and towns or in such locations where there are no other law enforcement. They also run the jail system. Prisons are handled on a federal level here unless they are corporatized like the Hawaii Prison that is 50 miles southeast of Phoenix.

A buddy of mine works there and said that Hawaii has outsourced the job to a corporation who built their state of the art prison in the Arizona desert because they are betting that a 300+ pound Samoan ain't going to take off running, especially in the summer heat.
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2012, 02:36:32 PM »

New York State runs a whole mess of prisons ranging from minimum to maximum security.  NYC even has its own prison island.  (Riker's Island, for anyone who cares.)

Our sheriff generally handle evictions and warrants.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2012, 10:52:18 PM »

Register to vote.

If you've recently changed address, make sure your voter registration is up to date.
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2012, 05:06:16 PM »

I'd like to point out that I'm 35, a natural born citizen and have lived in the US for considerably more than 14 years.  (For our non-US readers, that means I'm eligible to be President.)  So, if you find that you can't vote for either party - like me - you now have another choice.

But, regardless of your views, go vote.  The whole system breaks down if you don't.
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2012, 08:24:07 AM »

But, regardless of your views, go vote.  The whole system breaks down if you don't.
No, it really doesn't.

I have no idea how any politician can claim any sort of mandate, since they seldom have the support of more than a third of the population.  (Half the people show up to vote, so many political victors are not particularly popular.)
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2012, 09:54:21 AM »


Ah, yes, defeatism is the answer.   Roll Eyes

I know full well the system is broken.  But it's the system I have, so it's the system I'll use to try and effect change.  Ignoring the vote because you (rightly?) feel you can't effect the Federal system also means that you ignore the local election where you have a much better chance of changing something.
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2012, 09:55:26 AM »

I can safely that neither of the big Two is getting my vote for very basic reasons. I'm writing someone in this year.
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2012, 10:36:16 AM »

I can safely that neither of the big Two is getting my vote for very basic reasons. I'm writing someone in this year.

Same here.
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2012, 10:42:12 AM »

One broke his oath of office and the other said he would have as well. Then there is the mess of things that was made at the Convention and the way the process was totally screwed over by some people trying to guarantee there would be no dissent: not seating delegates because they would not vote a certain way, refusing to allow a potential nominee to be named, teleprompting/scripting victory on a measure when it was obviously not a clear victory for one side, and ripping signs out of delegates hands if they were not for the presumptive nominee.

Regardless the turnout, I'm changing parties after the election which is for the best overall.

I'm proud to say I'm Constitutionalist.
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2012, 05:40:05 PM »

Ah, yes, defeatism is the answer.   Roll Eyes
It is also a quiet means of withholding consent from the government...
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2012, 07:58:27 PM »

Ah, yes, defeatism is the answer.   Roll Eyes
It is also a quiet means of withholding consent from the government...

Sadly, we have no provision in the Constitution or under existing law that withholds legitimacy from the government if people do not vote.  If we did, I might agree with you.  As it stands, if only three people in the country vote, and two vote for the same guy, he wins.  Further, he would call it a landslide as he received 67% of the vote.*

Choosing not to participate is still a choice and, one that has no chance of changing the system.  There are other ways to change the system, I suppose ...



* Given that the Electoral College is still in force, I don't think we can actually DO this, but for the sake of argument ...
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2012, 11:00:55 PM »

Ah, yes, defeatism is the answer.   Roll Eyes
It is also a quiet means of withholding consent from the government...

As an aside, I fully support the quoting of Reason, on pretty much anything.
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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2012, 12:01:35 AM »

Choosing not to participate is still a choice and, one that has no chance of changing the system.  There are other ways to change the system, I suppose ...
Marginally less chance of worthwhile change than actually voting.  Just sayin'.
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2012, 04:01:38 AM »

I have 2 problems with non-voters.

The first comes up every time I hear someone complaining about the United States government.  Usually, the first question I ask is if they voted in the last election.  If they haven't, I have no interest in hearing any further complaints and I say as much during the conversation and refuse to discuss the subject any further.  Every once in a while, people are asked to give their opinion by voting.  I am not going to waste my time listening to the opinion of those who have already refused to give said opinion by refusing to vote.  For one, people who show so little regard for the system aren't going to be changing my mind.  Two, even if I somehow persuade someone to change their views on the subject, if they aren't voting, it doesn't matter.

The second problem is just one of demographics.  Look at the demographics of voters by income from 2008

From page 3:
Family IncomeNumber of Voters (thousands)
< $20k8,173
$20k - $30k7,869
$30k - $40k10,051
$40k - $50k8,202
$50k - $75k21,765
$75k - $100k14,844
> $100k25,534

Politicians cater to the people who actually vote, that's how they get their jobs.

Why did it take so long for the U.S. to even TRY to have some sort of universal healthcare?  Who on that list is going to most need healthcare coverage?  Those on the lowest end of the income and the ones least represented in the vote.  What incentive does a politician really have when trying to appease the smallest group among his constituency?  Really, none at all.

Alternatively, who has the best tax rates in the country?  Those on the higher end of the income bracket and those most represented during voting.

The U.S. government has its problems, I don't dispute that at all; however, in my opinion the U.S. pretty much does have the government it deserves.
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2012, 05:03:03 AM »

It is also a quiet means of withholding consent from the government...

Qui tacet consentiret: the maxim of the law is "Silence gives consent".
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