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« on: September 05, 2012, 11:14:51 AM »

Regardless of who you support, if any of you folks in the US are planing on voting this November you've got a rapidly diminishing window to ensure that your right to do so has not been curtailed by the Republican Party's actual, well documented, and sustained war on the rights and the ability of US citizens to do so.

If you or your loved ones are serving overseas, make sure that they have not been disenfranchised by acts such as Colorado's Secretary of State Scott Gessler ordering county clerks not to send ballots to deployed troops or “unlikely” (read: hispanic) voters.

In states that have brought in so called "anti-voter fraud" legislation, make sure you and your family have the government issued photo ID they require -- if you can get it, that is.

Make sure that your name hasn't been taken off the electoral roll because it just happens to be similar to a convicted criminal's and no one bother to verify it before striking it off.

And remember, the only people who have a right to see your ID are the officials inside the polling place.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 12:17:32 PM »

Don't forget all the mischief they get up to when elected.

GO NEW YORK.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 05:56:43 PM »

Embedable voter registration form.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2012, 10:11:32 PM »

Regardless of who you support, if any of you folks in the US are planing on voting this November you've got a rapidly diminishing window to ensure that your right to do so has not been curtailed by the Republican Party's actual, well documented, and sustained war on the rights and the ability of US citizens to do so.

If you or your loved ones are serving overseas, make sure that they have not been disenfranchised by acts such as Colorado's Secretary of State Scott Gessler ordering county clerks not to send ballots to deployed troops or “unlikely” (read: hispanic) voters.

In states that have brought in so called "anti-voter fraud" legislation, make sure you and your family have the government issued photo ID they require -- if you can get it, that is.

Make sure that your name hasn't been taken off the electoral roll because it just happens to be similar to a convicted criminal's and no one bother to verify it before striking it off.

And remember, the only people who have a right to see your ID are the officials inside the polling place.

Aye, thanks Mr. Anderson.
Yeahp. Real "Proud to be an American" kinda year it's been.  Angry
Fortunately I'm equal parts White and Registered so I'm not in danger of getting edged out.
I am however living in a very historically Blue state so the chances of my vote being of consequence are largely nil anyway.
Increasingly I'm for a Secession. Apparently we can't all get along, and if things get bloody when Obama wins then why not stop being neighbors?
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 08:37:17 AM »

Has to make you wonder about the Mayan calendar as could possibly regard America? ... Massive change, the life-death-rebirth cycle, the current political atmosphere ...

Honestly, I would not mind if something happened to create an Etch-A-Sketch moment in Washington DC and we went back to the basics of the Constitution.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 08:51:47 AM »

... we went back to the basics of the Constitution.
I'm really good with burning the entire CFR to the ground and starting again.  (No corruption in 75,000+ pages of tax code my ass.  Angry )
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 08:52:38 AM »

CFR?
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 09:16:05 AM »

CFR?
Code of Federal Regulations
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 09:23:41 AM »

Ah... yeah, there's a lot of changes that need to happen.

No member of Congress ever convicted of any crime should be able to retain their pension and medical benefits that they get having been a member of Congress. (Right know, the only way to lose it is to be convicted of treason ... so an embezzling pedophile of a former Congressman can rot in prison and still collect).

Kill and/or streamline any bureaucracy.

Re-emphasize "Promote the General Welfare"

Enforce the immigration laws yet also streamline the process for certain individuals over others

Outlaw lobbyists

Return any federal laws that were origainlly state laws but bumped up by judicial review back over to the States to decide for themselves

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 10:05:45 AM »

Re-emphasize "Promote the General Welfare"
I'm on board, but the bureaucrats are going to fight this one hard.  Actually following it and the 10th amendment will kill most federal departments.  (That's a feature, if you ask me.)
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2012, 10:10:56 AM »

No, no it's not.

It would lead to an insane, unmanageable, and dangerous patchwork of laws and regulations, along with disenfranchising millions of people.

A whole lot, although not all, major domestic issues have far more to do with the ease at which ALEC and other rich and powerful interests can buy state governments.

The issues MR. A posted about (pervasive Republican election fraud, often with the help of the statehouse and at least once with the help of the SCOTUS) are directly the related to the lack of federal power. I think every state should be subject to Title V.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 11:30:23 AM »

If you're going to fundamentally restructure America to be workable, just on a political level

1. Mandatory life-time voting. Once a citizen is on the Electoral Roll, they're there until they die, and they need to get off their arse once every 4 years to actually participate in the process of deciding who's running the country. Donkey vote, vote informsl, hell, write down your own name, but once they're at a poling place they might decide to take an actual interest.

2. Disband the Electoral College. It's a stupidly over-complicated system that has elected Presidents in contravention of the actual expressed desire of the country's populance. If you're going to keep it a State-based system -- which given that almost all other elections are held at the same time seems the simplest -- all you need to know is which candidate got the majority vote from each state, though you could just as easily go purely based on the actual votes themselves.

3. All elected representatives (as opposed to officaldom positions such as sherrifs, DAs and the like) should have the same 10 year / 2 consecutive full terms limitation as the office of the President. There needs to be a reasonably consistent churn. In the words of Dave, these people are just temps.

4. All state officials should be receiving exactly the same medical and financial benefits as the state provides to everyone else.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2012, 11:39:11 AM »

3. All elected representatives (as opposed to officaldom positions such as sherrifs, DAs and the like)

Most places those are elected too. Heck, most places we elect state and county judges and magistrates.

I am a big proponent of Aussie style show the hell up and sing the book or pay a fine and have your name published in the paper. You to vote, just sign the register.

Election day should be a holiday and multi-day voting should be required too.

Just remember folks, the people running the Republican party post Nixon don't want you to vote.
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 11:40:28 AM »

3. All elected representatives (as opposed to officaldom positions such as sherrifs, DAs and the like) should have the same 10 year / 2 consecutive full terms limitation as the office of the President. There needs to be a reasonably consistent churn. In the words of Dave, these people are just temps.
Sheriffs and DAs are generally elected, and no less deserving of churn than any other elected position.

In spite of the great mission confusion, sheriff and police departments are quite different.
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2012, 11:48:34 AM »

3. All elected representatives (as opposed to officaldom positions such as sherrifs, DAs and the like) should have the same 10 year / 2 consecutive full terms limitation as the office of the President. There needs to be a reasonably consistent churn. In the words of Dave, these people are just temps.
Sheriffs and DAs are generally elected, and no less deserving of churn than any other elected position.

In spite of the great mission confusion, sheriff and police departments are quite different.

Not to mention constibles, which are a third different thing in the US. And what they do varies from state to state/

A Sheriff in PA has a very different job, powers, and responsibilities than one in Arizona.
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