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Bow Supremacy
« on: August 28, 2012, 01:02:21 AM »
OK, this one has been driving me nuts.  Along with an attack trick, bow supremacy allows you to add spike to any bow.

What advantage does this give?

All I can find on the spike quality is that I can use the item as a melee weapon if I have the edge proficiency. 

Am I missing something, or is the final capstone for one of the ranged attacks is that I can now physically beat people up with my bow if they get too close vs just shooting them?

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2012, 01:47:02 AM »
OK, this one has been driving me nuts.  Along with an attack trick, bow supremacy allows you to add spike to any bow.

What advantage does this give?

All I can find on the spike quality is that I can use the item as a melee weapon if I have the edge proficiency. 

Am I missing something, or is the final capstone for one of the ranged attacks is that I can now physically beat people up with my bow if they get too close vs just shooting them?

Well, you get the trick (which is butch as &$%#!)...

To get an understanding of how the feats are structured, you get a small perk and a trick or stance for almost all weapon feats.  In practice, this is often that it gains a simple customisation (ex. Axe's gain Hurl) or that it can be used as a different weapon type.  Then you get the trick - in Bow Supremacy it's the 3 arrow shot, which is butch.

From a thematic perspective, it's like how Legolas stabs a heap of Orcs with his arrows in hand to hand combat in Lord of the Rings.

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 02:48:15 AM »
is the final capstone for one of the ranged attacks is that I can now physically beat people up with my bow if they get too close vs just shooting them?

Yes. In your hands, any bow whatsoever effectively becomes an edged melee weapon

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 10:22:58 AM »
From a thematic perspective, it's like how Legolas stabs a heap of Orcs with his arrows in hand to hand combat in Lord of the Rings.

One of the devs stated that this was explicitly the inspiration for that part of the feat.
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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2014, 11:46:43 PM »
Bow Supremacy's trick states:

Multi-Shot (Bow Attack Trick): Using this trick fires 3 arrows
or bolts. If you hit by 4 or more, you inflict your ammunitionís
damage an additional time. If you hit by 10 or more, you inflict
your ammunitionís damage two additional times. In both cases,
roll separately each time you inflict damage.

My question is this:

Does this mean he fires 3 arrows, and does three times damage + 1 or 2 times more based on accuracy?
Or does it mean normal damage, and 1 or twice more damage based on accuracy?

The first option seems OP, the second makes more sense to me, but I'm looking for confirmation on it.

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2014, 12:10:38 AM »
Bow Supremacy's trick states:

Multi-Shot (Bow Attack Trick): Using this trick fires 3 arrows
or bolts. If you hit by 4 or more, you inflict your ammunitionís
damage an additional time. If you hit by 10 or more, you inflict
your ammunitionís damage two additional times. In both cases,
roll separately each time you inflict damage.

My question is this:

Does this mean he fires 3 arrows, and does three times damage + 1 or 2 times more based on accuracy?
Or does it mean normal damage, and 1 or twice more damage based on accuracy?

The first option seems OP, the second makes more sense to me, but I'm looking for confirmation on it.

You make an attack.
This uses three arrows.
Nothing special has yet occurred.
However, if you roll well, you could do damage as though you hit with one, two, or three arrows.

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2014, 12:23:17 AM »

You make an attack.
This uses three arrows.
Nothing special has yet occurred.
However, if you roll well, you could do damage as though you hit with one, two, or three arrows.

Good, so basically unless you hit by more than 4, than 10, you only hit once. Do you apply DEVIATION on missed secondary attacks?

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2014, 01:27:03 AM »
No.

The most powerful level 1 combatant build in the game, IMHO, is an archer soldier with bow supremacy. And it only gets more scary with more levels of soldier and/or deadeye.

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2014, 01:00:28 PM »
"you inflict your ammunition's damage an additional time" using this trick.
If you were in a stance that adds damage would you also add that damage to the additional ammunition damage?

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2014, 01:43:57 PM »
Yes.

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2014, 08:50:39 PM »
RAW, no. The stance is not increasing the damage done by the ammunition but the attack itself

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2014, 10:56:43 AM »
RAW, no. The stance is not increasing the damage done by the ammunition but the attack itself

Word of Crafty (Alex) says yes, however.

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 08:49:14 AM »
RAW, no. The stance is not increasing the damage done by the ammunition but the attack itself

But it doesn't say base damage, just damage.

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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2014, 06:57:33 AM »
Tack on Angry Hornet and Blackening the Sky for true terror by using a lot of arrows. Effectively, this allows you to take 1 Full Action and at -5 to each, you make 4 separate attacks. With Bow Supremacy, this means you could 12 arrows into the air at -5 to the die roll on each attack. While you might miss, you could also pincushion a single target.


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Re: Bow Supremacy
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2014, 08:45:19 AM »
Or 4 different targets.