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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2013, 08:40:56 PM »

In some places, names will remain - guns will be split by model, just like they always have been (a Walther PPK will exist, as will a Makarov) because that particular detail really matters to player as much as the name of a +3 short vorpal shortsword.

Ugh. As a non gun-fondler, I'd really been hoping for a system that gave us classes of weapon -- service pistol, revolvers, etc -- within each proficiency that could then be modded, with a side bar suggesting which mods spoke to which weapons.

The original Spycraft Espionage Handbook proved unequivocally that guns are one place you have to be specific - and fortunately, gun makers are fine with us doing so.

Firearms also tend not to change much.
The 1911A1 for example.
They also don't really have product generations or obsolescence like electronics or cars. They also don't degrade easily compared to things like clothing or furniture or cultural items like works of art. The same chunk of metal served at supersonic velocities is as efficient now as it was a century ago.
War changes all the time; but killing remains constant.
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« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2013, 08:48:14 PM »

V, gotta that last line
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« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2013, 08:51:59 PM »

V, gotta that last line

Assuming you mean to verb it out of fondness, do so with my blessing. Cool
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« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2013, 10:04:52 AM »

Firearms also tend not to change much.
The 1911A1 for example.
They also don't really have product generations or obsolescence like electronics or cars. They also don't degrade easily compared to things like clothing or furniture or cultural items like works of art. The same chunk of metal served at supersonic velocities is as efficient now as it was a century ago.
War changes all the time; but killing remains constant.

QFT.  I think the last major technological advancement in serviceable personal firearms was the maturation of semi- and fully-automatic actions.  Ergonomics have gotten a little better since then but in terms of performance, we're just refining the existing engineering or engaging in ballistics-whipping.  Those distinctions just don't come into play in any game system that's playable at the table.

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« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2013, 06:38:26 PM »

So looking at the two known faces of this new system, I have to laugh at the obvious cross-over game: NCIS. They do police work, but they do love to have a go at terrorist threats...
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« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2013, 12:11:56 PM »

Firearms also tend not to change much.

You certainly get fashions.

In recent years, submachine guns have been largely replaced by carbine assault rifles, body armour has developed to the point where it can bounce a rifle round, optical sights have pretty much become universal. And I get the impression the USMC is replacing their SAWs with something magazine fed.

I'd have said that accessory rails are really 'In' at the moment. All the Tactical gubbins that one can bolt on to your gun.

So while it may still be an M16, it has gone from



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And any gun fondler will be able to tell the difference.
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« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2013, 01:40:44 PM »

Firearms also tend not to change much.

You certainly get fashions.

In recent years, submachine guns have been largely replaced by carbine assault rifles, body armour has developed to the point where it can bounce a rifle round, optical sights have pretty much become universal. And I get the impression the USMC is replacing their SAWs with something magazine fed.

I'd have said that accessory rails are really 'In' at the moment. All the Tactical gubbins that one can bolt on to your gun.

So while it may still be an M16, it has gone from



to



And any gun fondler will be able to tell the difference.

To that point - accessorization has *also* always existed, and tends to live in the same categories (magnification, accuracy, concealment, reaction time and damage output). The M4 family and its antecedents may have had Picatinny rails added, but they still shoot the same rounds, at roughly the same rate, as they when Eugene Stoner started his grand experiment. Rest assured, our system can and will cover those differences, but the function, not the form, is what we're mostly concerned about. The exact expression of that form lives in your head.
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« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2013, 01:52:38 PM »


In recent years, submachine guns have been largely replaced by carbine assault rifles, body armour has developed to the point where it can bounce a rifle round, optical sights have pretty much become universal. And I get the impression the USMC is replacing their SAWs with something magazine fed.


On the bounce a rifle round, I'm assuming you're referring to Type 3/4 Pinnacle Armor.  Segmented Discs.  Those are still a tirade of red tape.  They claim it passed all the tests.  Some certifying agency is crying foul on the test or some such.  But, to be accurate, the vest isn't BOUNCING the round, it's stopping penetration.  And the disc is destroyed on impact and your ribs are probably bruised or broken, so it's not like you're running around playing Iron Man.

If you mean the M27 IAR, only a small portion are replacing the M249s.  Bullet hoses still have a very valid place on the battlefield.  And even then, the Army has come out and said they do not plan to transition to that platform.
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« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2013, 02:19:35 PM »

On the bounce a rifle round, I'm assuming you're referring to Type 3/4 Pinnacle Armor.

Nah. Assuming that this is different from what you said, I still think that plate carriers and plates intended to protect against 5.56mm rounds are a new fangled invention, having not been a thing fifteen years ago.

Now, I guess that means that if one found oneself shooting at people who could be reliably expected to wear body armour, one would upgrade to armour piercing ammunition or a heavier calibre gun, but it is still a change, yknow.
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« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2013, 03:19:43 PM »

The truama plate + Interceptor vest will stop a Dragunov round from a couple hundred meters.  (And give you a bruise the size of a dinner plate.)

I recall hearing about one (lucky like a mofo) Marine who took NINE AK rounds to the plate and just had a few broken ribs.
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« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2014, 07:15:05 AM »

thats very VERY lucky... he should stay indoors, preferably covered in Nerf the rest of his life...
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