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« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2012, 12:55:09 PM »

Are the two targets within each other's coppercloud (ten paces)? If so, I would just use the higher Copper rating.

Not in this case, plus without a Stunt the mental protection only applies to the Copper-burner themselves.
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« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2012, 05:42:50 PM »

Since the Rioter is attacking multiple targets, I assume (it is not clearly stated how this works) it functions the same as the Multiple Targets Stunt for Steel/Iron: Create your pool, roll once, each target defends seperately and compares against your roll. However, Copper subtracts its rating from the Rioter's dice pool. If each target has a distinct Copper rating, this has me confused how to form that single pool for the Rioter.

Our understanding of the Metallic Arts is that emotional Allomancy isn't intended to be used that way. Unlike physical Allomancy, Zinc and Brass are more subtle - this is why it requires both focus and flaring your metal to attack with an emotional power. Using them in that way is considered an abuse, even by Breeze himself (one of the guys most likely to use emotional Allomancy to defend himself). That's why we didn't include a Stunt equivalent to Multiple Targets for Zinc and Brass...it just didn't fit the vibe of the canon.

However, you can easily affect more than one person using emotional Allomancy using Affect Crowd - however, note you cannot do so while Flaring. Such are the limits of Allomancy...
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« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2012, 11:02:43 AM »

That makes sense, thank you. Smiley

I've got two more questions my players have brought up...

1) What are the minimum radii and time differentials that are possible with Cadmium and Bendalloy? I'm worried about what he's planning with this one...

2) Suppose a Mistborn is burning Copper, and he's interacting with another character that he suspects to be an Allomancer of some sort. If he burns Bronze, is he able to 'see through' his own Coppercloud?
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« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2012, 04:32:51 PM »

That makes sense, thank you. Smiley

I've got two more questions my players have brought up...

1) What are the minimum radii and time differentials that are possible with Cadmium and Bendalloy? I'm worried about what he's planning with this one...

2) Suppose a Mistborn is burning Copper, and he's interacting with another character that he suspects to be an Allomancer of some sort. If he burns Bronze, is he able to 'see through' his own Coppercloud?

I know the answer to #2 is No. As for 1, I suspect the minimum possible radius would be your height. I.e. since a time-bubble pops when you leave it, you can't make one that you don't fit in. As for the differential, I think you could set it to anything within the max. For that matter, I think you could set it to "no alteration", though I can't imagine what reason there could be for doing that... Huh?
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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2012, 12:14:56 PM »

That makes sense, thank you. Smiley

I've got two more questions my players have brought up...

1) What are the minimum radii and time differentials that are possible with Cadmium and Bendalloy? I'm worried about what he's planning with this one...

2) Suppose a Mistborn is burning Copper, and he's interacting with another character that he suspects to be an Allomancer of some sort. If he burns Bronze, is he able to 'see through' his own Coppercloud?

I know the answer to #2 is No. As for 1, I suspect the minimum possible radius would be your height. I.e. since a time-bubble pops when you leave it, you can't make one that you don't fit in.

/agree on both counts.
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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2012, 03:58:17 PM »

Thanks. Smiley

Ugh... now I need some help on my latest headache, the interaction of Cadmium bubbles with larger objects in motion. In particular, they want to know 'what happens if I create a Cadmium bubble inside the cab of a carriage, but too small to engulf the carriage itself?'. Similar questions have been made about using it in hypothetical train cars and such. "The bubble remains stationary" is causing all kinds of questions of 'what reference frame' from my group of science nerds. I hate them sometimes. Tongue
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« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2012, 05:50:06 AM »

Thanks. Smiley

Ugh... now I need some help on my latest headache, the interaction of Cadmium bubbles with larger objects in motion. In particular, they want to know 'what happens if I create a Cadmium bubble inside the cab of a carriage, but too small to engulf the carriage itself?'. Similar questions have been made about using it in hypothetical train cars and such. "The bubble remains stationary" is causing all kinds of questions of 'what reference frame' from my group of science nerds. I hate them sometimes. Tongue

I'm not the expert on this one, but my understanding is that those are literally stationary - which is to say, if you put one inside something that moves, it stays behind.
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« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2012, 09:24:52 AM »

Thanks. Smiley

Ugh... now I need some help on my latest headache, the interaction of Cadmium bubbles with larger objects in motion. In particular, they want to know 'what happens if I create a Cadmium bubble inside the cab of a carriage, but too small to engulf the carriage itself?'. Similar questions have been made about using it in hypothetical train cars and such. "The bubble remains stationary" is causing all kinds of questions of 'what reference frame' from my group of science nerds. I hate them sometimes. Tongue

I'm not the expert on this one, but my understanding is that those are literally stationary - which is to say, if you put one inside something that moves, it stays behind.

That won't work for a group of science nerds.  Stationary has no meaning without defining a frame of reference (stationary relative to the planet, stationary relative to the train, etc).  The planet itself is moving (which was established in Hero of Ages, so no trying to claim it's a stationary planet that has a sun orbiting it or some crazy thing) and is actually a non-Newtonian reference frame (though for most purposes it could be considered one).  On a moving train could also be generally considered a Newtonian reference frame for most of the trip, and from the physics sense is no less valid of a definition of "stationary" than the planet.
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« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2012, 10:05:17 AM »


It's stationary relative to the planet (Word of Adonalsium).
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« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2012, 10:06:41 AM »

That won't work for a group of science nerds.  Stationary has no meaning without defining a frame of reference (stationary relative to the planet, stationary relative to the train, etc).  The planet itself is moving (which was established in Hero of Ages, so no trying to claim it's a stationary planet that has a sun orbiting it or some crazy thing) and is actually a non-Newtonian reference frame (though for most purposes it could be considered one).  On a moving train could also be generally considered a Newtonian reference frame for most of the trip, and from the physics sense is no less valid of a definition of "stationary" than the planet.

I'm really inclined to be a bit annoyed and insist that the reference frame is the planet itself, because that's how it always seemed to work in the books. No idea what that means with respect to Sanderson's future scifi Mistborn, but this seems an acceptable means to maintain part of my sanity for now.

So, Pat's suggestion matches my intuition in that case as well. The open quandry that remains is: the bubble is smaller than the carriage, so one of the following must happen:
1) Part of the carriage (the seats, etc) are inside the bubble, so the whole carriage is Cadmium slowed, even the parts outside the bubble.
2) The parts of the carriage that are inside the bubble are affected, but the parts outside are not. This is probably going to result in an exploding carriage as weird forces act on it.
3) Since parts of the carriage are outside the bubble, none of it is affected. The Cadmium users inside the carriage will perceive the seats approaching them at very high velocity...

1 kind of seems the easiest to me, but probably makes the least sense... I'd assume the bubbles frequently touch the ground, and I don't think the entire planet gets Cadmium slowed. Smiley
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« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2012, 10:33:04 AM »

2) The parts of the carriage that are inside the bubble are affected, but the parts outside are not. This is probably going to result in an exploding carriage as weird forces act on it.

Wow, this is getting way too technical, even for Brandon's concepts. 2 is the answer - the bubble will slice through whatever is on its border. However, this effect on matter is neutral - nothing is destroyed by having time distortion applied it it, other than extremely fast moving objects whose path of movement is slightly tweaked.
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« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2012, 02:19:09 PM »

Wow, this is getting way too technical, even for Brandon's concepts.

Yeah... I agree. I probably should have been more careful handing out this particular metal to my group of players. Smiley

Thanks for the answer!
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« Reply #57 on: July 30, 2012, 12:34:36 AM »

Thanks. Smiley

Ugh... now I need some help on my latest headache, the interaction of Cadmium bubbles with larger objects in motion. In particular, they want to know 'what happens if I create a Cadmium bubble inside the cab of a carriage, but too small to engulf the carriage itself?'. Similar questions have been made about using it in hypothetical train cars and such. "The bubble remains stationary" is causing all kinds of questions of 'what reference frame' from my group of science nerds. I hate them sometimes. Tongue
Ok, I'm actually going to give contrary advice.

First, I'd note Cadmium is extremely rare, and unheard of during the Lord Ruler's reign. If it's known, I'd suggest it be pretty damn rare. If the PCs are fortunate enough to get some, they probably shouldn't be the only ones ... but it should still be rare.

That aside, I'd let him or her make the cadmium bubble inside the moving carriage. It's what I'd want to do if I was a PC with a time stop ability like that - especially if you let me take it in the first place.

Don't make the PC be unawesome or short fuse their schtick. Of course they're going to want to time stop inside a moving vehicle. Let them make the roll; if they're successful, they make the diameter appropriately sized to not explode things.

If there's failure, or they insist on doing something just silly (like, I make the axels inside the bubble but the wheels outside), then get explody.
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« Reply #58 on: April 18, 2013, 11:36:22 AM »

Hiya --

Just a question. When you spend of point of standing for an effect, does it cause your related resilience to go down?

So for example you use your resources to buy something, does your health go down since it is physique+resources?

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« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2013, 11:56:19 AM »

Welcome to the boards, nalesean!

Good question! Here's my take:
Quick answer - No.

Longer answer - This would add bookkeeping. Now you'll have to bounce the Resiliences up and down with each expenditure of a Standing. Then there is also becoming wounded from spending Standing (when such spending would lower the Resilience below 4, for example). I see that as a hassle. Also, look at the character sheet. Under Standings you have two columns - Dice and Spent. The number in the Dice column should only change when there is a permanent change to the character. That's the number you should be using to calculate Resiliences.

At least, that's how I see it.
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