Nicrosil Feruchemy and Allomancy

[Kadrok]

Nicrosil Feruchemy makes sense... you convert stored attributes (or a burst, or the mists) into a generic energy source. To use this generic energy Feruchemically, you need to tap it alongside a attribute (say strength from a pewtermind) to 'shape' it, or so I understand it.

My question is, does this 'shaping' need to occur with Allomancy through the burning of metals, or is the Allomantic ability enough to 'shape' it on its own? What I mean is, could, say, a Tin-Nicrosil Twinborn use the investiture in his Nicrosil minds to fuel his Tineye abilities without burning Tin because his Allomantic ability shapes the energy?

This seems sound to me, as Feruchemy is all about tapping and storing energies, wereas Allomancy draws power from creation in different shapes.

In gameplay terms it's the difference between an Allomancer-Soulbearer having the ability to forgo metal vials provided he has another source to fill his Nicrosilmind (a friendly Nicroburst, say) and a Allomancer-Soulbearer being only able to pad out their metals (might as well just take Slowburning stunts and a different Ferring power). The former trades the versatility of having a different Ferring power or compounding for the ability to burn without metals, the latter trades the same for... the ability to pad out their metal reserves...

This all assumes Nicrosil Feruchemy can be used to fuel Allomancy, which of course is not given. Regardless I am very curious as to how the Alloy of Law supplement treats my favourite Feruchemical power.

[lord Claincy Ffnord]

To the best of my knowledge you could not use this to use allomancy without metal. The reason for this is based on cosmere knowledge.

It has been confirmed that metal itself doesn't contain power, burning it allows you to access preservation's power which is where the investiture that fuels your allomancy comes from. (if you know a bit about programming think of the metals as pointers or references).

This means that (on Scadrial) the metal is required to access the power. The stored investiture could most likely be  used to add strength to a power though.

As a side note: for a scadrial allomancer to use allomancy on another shard world they would need a sliver of preservation to be present so they had power to access except *maybe* in this case raw investiture could be used. Regardless of that they would need to use the appropriate *thing* to access the power on that planet rather than metal, for example it appears to be spren or stormlight on Roshar.

[Kadrok]

It has been confirmed that metal itself doesn't contain power, burning it allows you to access preservation's power which is where the investiture that fuels your allomancy comes from. (if you know a bit about programming think of the metals as pointers or references).

I know this. And this is exactly why I think that Nicrosil Investiture could be used to fuel Allomancy without the metal key. If you can only channel investiture through Allomancy in one way, having the power to draw investiture without the metal key (tapping the Nicrosilmind) should in theory shape it as Allomantic-Steel-Investiture (or whatever metal) because that's the only way your spiritweb knows how to use that power... does that make sense?

As a side note: for a scadrial allomancer to use allomancy on another shard world they would need a sliver of preservation to be present so they had power to access...

I haven't heard that before, can I get the WoB link for that?

[lord Claincy Ffnord]

I know this. And this is exactly why I think that Nicrosil Investiture could be used to fuel Allomancy without the metal key. If you can only channel investiture through Allomancy in one way, having the power to draw investiture without the metal key (tapping the Nicrosilmind) should in theory shape it as Allomantic-Steel-Investiture (or whatever metal) because that's the only way your spiritweb knows how to use that power... does that make sense?

I get what you are saying. It could be correct. But personally from everything I've read I doubt it would convert for you like that. The investiture stored in a nicrosil mind is expressly generic. I don't think that the spiritual dna combined with raw investiture would be enough for them to use allomancy. I could be wrong there but I don't think you can cut out the key that easily.

I haven't heard that before, can I get the WoB link for that?

It is never expressly stated like that, that is a conclusion drawn from what Brandon has said. So may not be completely accurate. Can't find exact sources at the moment sorry =( will have to look up each part.
But basically from what I have gathered allomancy requires:
-a bit of preservation in the person, all scadrial natives have a bit of preservation and ruin in them
-the appropriate spiritual dna to use whichever power
-snapped into the power
-the appropriate metal to access preservation's power/to form a link with preservation's power

For a link to be formed with preservations power it seems logical that preservation's power must be present, hence the theory that at least a splinter of preservation would have to be on the world for allomancy to function there.

It was also confirmed at some point that each world has an effect on the magic system, in addition to the shards themselves. From everything we've seen (not sure if its technically confirmed) but it appears that the thing that the planet determines is what is used to create the link to the shard's power. In scadrials case that is Metal. On other worlds metal has no special use like that.

[Kadrok]

I get what you are saying. It could be correct. But personally from everything I've read I doubt it would convert for you like that.

Perhaps. I can dream though and I'm not going to cry if it doesn't work like that. It's just a hope.

It is never expressly stated like that, that is a conclusion drawn from what Brandon has said. So may not be completely accurate. Can't find exact sources at the moment sorry =( will have to look up each part.
For a link to be formed with preservations power it seems logical that preservation's power must be present, hence the theory that at least a splinter of preservation would have to be on the world for allomancy to function there.

It was also confirmed at some point that each world has an effect on the magic system, in addition to the shards themselves. From everything we've seen (not sure if its technically confirmed) but it appears that the thing that the planet determines is what is used to create the link to the shard's power. In scadrials case that is Metal. On other worlds metal has no special use like that.

And this is the part where I need to go find a WoB quote, but I've read that of the systems the ones on Scadrial are easiest to carry over to other worlds, and acquiring a splinter at this stage seems difficult... also note that Preservation IS present on the other world... inside the hypothetical expatriate Allomancer. I wouldn't think the Allomancer would need more than the Preservation inside them, a link to the main body of Preservation.

[Kadrok]

Disappointed the Crafty guys didn't respond to this... I guess they saw through my shallow attempt to weasel more spoilers out of them 

Seriously cannot wait for the Alloy supplement!