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Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« on: January 03, 2012, 03:18:15 PM »
I have a question about page 278-279's example of a feruchemist being interrupted while storing metals.

The text: (my question pertains to the very last sentence)
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For each full hour a Feruchemist spends storing, a number of charges
are added to the metalmind equal to the characterís rating with that metal,
or up to the limit described in each metalís chapter, whichever is lower. Only
full hours spent storing are counted, and if the Feruchemist is halted or interrupted
for any reason, no charges are gained
. This means that a Feruchemist canít, for
example, stop storing for the duration of a fight and then return to the process). He
or she can, however, change from hour to hour if desired.

Example: Damosi wants to store some strength for later. Pewter is the metal
for storing strength, and its chapter mentions that storage reduces strength-based
rolls by 1 per charge thatís currently being stored. It also mentions that a character
may only store a number of charges in each hour up to his or her Pewter rating
or Physique score minus 1, whichever is lower. Damosi has a Feruchemy rating of
4 and a Physique score of 4, so he can store up to 3 charges per hour.
Damosi stores all 3 charges in a pewtermind in the first hour, during which
time he loses 3 dice whenever he makes any roll that relies on physical strength
(such as a Physique roll to lift a heavy object or attack with a melee weapon).
BOOK TWO 279
In the second hour Damosi only stores 1 charge, as he thinks he might need
to do something involving strength. In this second hour he loses 1 die whenever
he makes any roll that relies on physical strength. By the end of this second hour
Damosi has stored a total of 4 charges.
In the third hour Damosi once again tries to store his maximum of 3 charges,
but heís interrupted near the end by attackers who raid the Crewís hideout. He
loses 3 dice during the fight and by the end of the hour has still only stored a total
of 4 charges (unless of course he used any of them during the struggle).
(emphasis mine)

About the very end:
I understand that a Feruchemist can't stop storing mid-hour. It makes sense that he is at -3 strength dice during the fight. If he keeps on storing strength throughout the fight, why does he gain no charges? What constitutes an "interruption"?

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2012, 11:48:32 AM »
I would say that a mistake was made in the book right there. Perhaps bring it up in the corrections thread? But I'm no authority, maybe they just want to screw over feruchemists if they get into a struggle while storing, but I can't see why.

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 11:57:48 AM »
I agree with pherisWiel. Take it to the corrections thread.

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 04:43:31 PM »
I'm confused. Are you asking why Damosi doesn't gain any charges in a period when he's forced to defend his crew's hideout? That's a pretty clear interruption.
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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 04:49:36 PM »
The question here is Damosi has two choices:

1. He stops storing immediately so he doesn't lose the Physique dice but loses the charges due to interruption.

Or

2. He continues to store so he does lose the Physique dice but he doesn't lose the charges as he continued to store.

The example suggests that you get the worst of both worlds. You lose the Physique dice and charges due to interruption.

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 05:30:26 PM »
The question here is Damosi has two choices:

1. He stops storing immediately so he doesn't lose the Physique dice but loses the charges due to interruption.

Or

2. He continues to store so he does lose the Physique dice but he doesn't lose the charges as he continued to store.

The example suggests that you get the worst of both worlds. You lose the Physique dice and charges due to interruption.

He used those during the fight to defend the hideout, so yeah, they're gone and he doesn't get to store more in that hour.
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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 06:01:17 PM »
Ah. I think the confusion comes from the "losing 3 dice during the fight". That suggests to me that he lost the three charges he was charging due to the interruption. Not he spent three charges in the fight. The last doesn't make a lot of sense given the context IMO

If the PC chose to suffer a 3 dice penalty and continued to store during the fight, then he wouldn't be interrupted in terms of the fight, correct? That was the initial question.

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 06:13:53 PM »
Ah. I think the confusion comes from the "losing 3 dice during the fight". That suggests to me that he lost the three charges he was charging due to the interruption. Not he spent three charges in the fight. The last doesn't make a lot of sense given the context IMO

Will revise.

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If the PC chose to suffer a 3 dice penalty and continued to store during the fight, then he wouldn't be interrupted in terms of the fight, correct? That was the initial question.

Depends. If the fight spilled into his room, I'd call it an interruption. If there was a blast in a nearby room, I'd call it an interruption. And so on...

The point is, storing is fragile. Nearly anything can be considered an interruption with the right context.
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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 06:35:22 PM »
If the PC chose to suffer a 3 dice penalty and continued to store during the fight, then he wouldn't be interrupted in terms of the fight, correct? That was the initial question.

Depends. If the fight spilled into his room, I'd call it an interruption. If there was a blast in a nearby room, I'd call it an interruption. And so on...

The point is, storing is fragile. Nearly anything can be considered an interruption with the right context.

What!? I'm sorry, but that is entirely and completely wrong in the context of the novels! Storing is a conscious choice of the feruchemist, nothing short of he willfully choosing not to store, something so grave that make him incapable of making decisions or complete unconsciousness can stop a feruchemist of storing his attribute!

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 08:44:24 PM »
Depends. If the fight spilled into his room, I'd call it an interruption. If there was a blast in a nearby room, I'd call it an interruption. And so on...

The point is, storing is fragile. Nearly anything can be considered an interruption with the right context.

Ouch. I understand balancing them a bit with the hourly charging blocks, but that seems a bit harsh. I would have thought an interruption was something that caused them to actually stop charging (so no dice penalties) rather than just distracted them while continuing to charge.

Or do you mean that if a PC is storing weight/health/strength and a fight spills into their room they stop storing it altogether?

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2012, 09:20:10 PM »
The point is, storing is fragile. Nearly anything can be considered an interruption with the right context.

I think choosing to take a 3d penalty during a fight to avoid interruption is a big cost as it is, and as pointed out its by conscious choice. I don't think interruptions need be imposed to keep balance, as any decent interruption will itself compel the Feurchemist to stop storing or take a hit.

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 11:38:26 PM »
Chill, chill, it's not worth the high blood pressure, folks. I merely misspoke.

As you clearly already know what constitutes an interruption, I won't elaborate further. The text works as is, and it all supports the novels. Apply your understanding of Feruchemy and he rules will follow.

Now I'm gonna go do something that doesn't require brainpower for a while. Catch you on the flip.
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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2012, 01:41:02 AM »
I support Skywalkers interpretation, as it is in line with the novels and seems balanced enough.

I don't think the text works, as evidenced by the confusion caused here. Players new to the Mistborn world won't even know how it is supposed to work, so I think you have to clarify the sentence highlighted by ancientcampus.

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 05:34:44 AM »
Disn't mean to come off as excited, Pat. Just thought it was worth commenting on.

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Re: Interruptions while a Feruchemist is storing
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 12:53:11 PM »
Alright, for those of you who feel the text doesn't speak to the proper nature of the rule, how would you change it?
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