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« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2007, 11:34:39 AM »

I was quite surprised by the High Roller, though that's probably more because I never saw the 1st ed version.
I was expecting a gambling expert, whereas it's actually more of a Luck expert.

The gambling expert will appear in 10kB as the aptly-named Gambler Smiley He's definately different from the High Roller (who really explains Bond's great lifestyle + fantastic luck) vs. the Gambler who's about short cons and making money any way possible...
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« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2007, 03:41:11 AM »

Just me, I only got into Spycraft towards the end of v1, and never picked up any SFA stuff - so wasn't aware of what the High Roller was.

A few comments on the book.

WoF seems to be essentially in 3 disparate sections - "Setting" "Tradecraft" & "Rules".
Now I just want to check that all the "Tradecraft" sections (other than those that specifically call out movies etc) is real-world info? It seems to be, but not being as familiar as I should be with the genre/trade I don't want to make too many assumptions.

It was really the Tradecraft section that I was commenting wasn't a 'reading' section, the WoF stuff flows nicely and gives a good introduction to someone who's only experience of it is conversations on this very board (and it's predecessors) having never played the cardgame or read the fiction. While I'm still not sure if I'll run the setting, it's cemented in my mind that I'll pick up the support .pdf's for more background info anyway (assuming they have more background info - if entirely mechanical stuff I'd pick it up anyway for looting).

The rules section I found somehow dissappointing, though I think that's less a reflection on the product, and more to do with my overblown expectactions. A section for gear would've been nice, even if it was only translating some of the real-world and prominent WoF gadgets into examples - not so much for me, but as a convenient thing to show my players (or indeed other beginning groups) who are still a little confused on the gadget system.

I'm not quite sure the comparatively massive amount of Melee feats in the book are really in their proper home, as they don't seem the sort of thing 'proper' spies should concentrate on - though with my players preferring melee over ranged a lot of the time I can't say I'm unhappy to see them.

I'm in a bit of an awkward position here, as I don't want to give away too much of the book in my ramblings, as I'm painfully aware that most don't have it yet. My overall feeling is positive, and I'm pretty sure that for the Rules section alone this'll be one of the books that I lug to sessions regardless of setting.

NB: Looks really well edited, I've yet to find any editing gaffs or even spelling errors in the book - it's more polished than most large companies have managed.


I think I'll have to put together an actual review now that I've had some time to process the book.
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« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2007, 10:26:48 AM »

Now I just want to check that all the "Tradecraft" sections (other than those that specifically call out movies etc) is real-world info? It seems to be, but not being as familiar as I should be with the genre/trade I don't want to make too many assumptions.

It is. Nothing fabricated in there at all.

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It was really the Tradecraft section that I was commenting wasn't a 'reading' section, the WoF stuff flows nicely and gives a good introduction to someone who's only experience of it is conversations on this very board (and it's predecessors) having never played the cardgame or read the fiction. While I'm still not sure if I'll run the setting, it's cemented in my mind that I'll pick up the support .pdf's for more background info anyway (assuming they have more background info - if entirely mechanical stuff I'd pick it up anyway for looting).

They'll have both. Smiley

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The rules section I found somehow dissappointing, though I think that's less a reflection on the product, and more to do with my overblown expectactions. A section for gear would've been nice, even if it was only translating some of the real-world and prominent WoF gadgets into examples - not so much for me, but as a convenient thing to show my players (or indeed other beginning groups) who are still a little confused on the gadget system.

We're planning a gadget article for S&P, and may yet produce a gadget supplement. It's strong enough on its own that it doesn't really work as part of a compendium like this. 

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I'm not quite sure the comparatively massive amount of Melee feats in the book are really in their proper home, as they don't seem the sort of thing 'proper' spies should concentrate on - though with my players preferring melee over ranged a lot of the time I can't say I'm unhappy to see them.

The Nine Tiger Dynasty is a huge source of melee and unarmed goodness, which is why they wound up in there.

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I'm in a bit of an awkward position here, as I don't want to give away too much of the book in my ramblings, as I'm painfully aware that most don't have it yet. My overall feeling is positive, and I'm pretty sure that for the Rules section alone this'll be one of the books that I lug to sessions regardless of setting.

Glad to hear it, and thanks for not spoiling the book for everyone else. We're still a bit out from the mass release. Smiley

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Thanks! That's personally quite gratifying.

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I think I'll have to put together an actual review now that I've had some time to process the book.

Please. We could really use some reviews, especially any that migrate out to ENWorld, RPGNet, and other places.
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« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2007, 12:04:11 PM »

Actually I've found a (minor) error. "Survival Instinct" is out of alphabetical order, I assume "The Long View" is alphabetized under L, and isn't in error.
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« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2007, 01:10:23 PM »

Actually I've found a (minor) error. "Survival Instinct" is out of alphabetical order, I assume "The Long View" is alphabetized under L, and isn't in error.

Yup. Sorry about Survival Instinct. We probably changed the name at some point.
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« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2007, 01:32:12 PM »

Also a minor error: Spin Doctor is missing from the main ToC (probably said before).
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« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2007, 01:36:03 PM »

At this stage, I'm willing to believe that that's an in-joke. Cheesy

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« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2007, 02:12:48 PM »

At this stage, I'm willing to believe that that's an in-joke. Cheesy

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« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2007, 04:26:57 PM »

For that alone I already love the spin doctor. Cheesy
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« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2007, 05:22:02 PM »

Just for the sake of understanding the joke, i'd like to know what's the spin doctor like.
Cause apparently it's from the first edition and I never got to see that. It also seems that it was overpowered (or whatever other reason people don't wanna see it in this edition)
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« Reply #85 on: October 09, 2007, 05:27:15 PM »

The Spin Doctor specializes in cover-ups and media manipulation. The original version did as well, but had many abilities which made him outshine the Faceman (one of my early mistakes - first class I did for Spycraft officially, back in the day). In the end, the class was demoted to an Expert Class and the Advocate received many of the old Spin Doctor's class abilities.
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« Reply #86 on: October 09, 2007, 06:09:11 PM »

Just for the sake of understanding the joke, i'd like to know what's the spin doctor like.
Cause apparently it's from the first edition and I never got to see that. It also seems that it was overpowered (or whatever other reason people don't wanna see it in this edition)

The joke is that when Pat first put the preview up on the old boards the Spin Doctor mangaed to magic himself off the ToC. When it was put up again on these boiards he pulled the same thing again. Looks like he's managed to go for the triple though. All that from from a class that's focus is control of the media and "You saw nothing"  Cool
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« Reply #87 on: October 19, 2007, 03:00:10 AM »

World of fire pdf? When?
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« Reply #88 on: October 19, 2007, 03:14:19 AM »

World of fire pdf? When?

Within a week or two after the print book is officially released. As discussed earlier in this thread, the book's street date has yet to be set and copies sent out early, well, shouldn't have gone out. Smiley
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« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2007, 02:35:42 PM »

Unofficial update.

The Mongoose site has had both books listed as "on sale now" for a couple of days. Further, they now have a news item saying that both books have shipped and we should see them at our FLGS in one to two weeks. (No date given by which to judge the two weeks.)

Still no announcement from the Crafty Three (+1).
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