WWII Toolkit

[ahzad]

Wasn't there some talk about a WWII toolkit, or am I mistaking the pulp toolkit for that?

I'm asking b/c I just picked up the Tannhauser board game from Fantasy Flight Games, and really would like to run some games in that world, it looks like a like that would be a blast.

For those unaware with it, Tannhauser is set in 1949 and the Great War (WWI) never ended, and incorporates a lot of elements that we saw in Return to Castle Wolfenstein, with the Nazi occult angle.

So many fun ideas running thru my brain 

[Crafty_Pat]

No specific toolkit planned as yet, but I've got dibs on the 1940s for... something. Way back when, I was planning a 1.0-style 1940s Decade Book with SFA coverage, but that's less a priority now. Not sure. It's out there. We'll do something with it eventually. In the meantime, some 1940s tools may wind up coasting out in other formats (there's been errant, non-committal talk of a BFoG for the decade, for instance). Maybe that's another one of those things we can freelance out. Anyone know a bunch about the period's weapons?

[Desertpuma]

I would love to see it as a BFOG pdf. .... I think the whole 40's era is just a good era.

[Krensky]

Anyone know a bunch about the period's weapons?

I'm confident someone will correct my foolishness here, but is there really all that much to add?  I mean, I'm sure there's all sorts of obscure weapons for the 40s and I'm know that most of the service weapons of other countries could use some doing, but aren't the most common choices already in the main book?

Ok, looking at it I don't see a full selection of period Soviet weapons.  Some support stuff like panzerfausts and such.  M1917 revolver is probably best modeled by giving a Police Positive the .45ACP damage code.  Add a bayonet lug to the Winchester Model 1897.  A lot of little stuff, other then Soviet and support weapons really.  And to be fair, weapons for most forces other then US, UK, USSR, and Germany.

[OverNinja]

There ís a number of WW2 weapons (in addition to more recent) on the New Guns thread done by Aragathor and me.
http://www.crafty-games.com/forum/index.php?topic=118.0

[Crafty_Alex]

WWII weapons will be covered in a BFOG release in the future. I may just end up drafting some forumites to help fill them out this time around

[TheAuldGrump]

There ís a number of WW2 weapons (in addition to more recent) on the New Guns thread done by Aragathor and me.
http://www.crafty-games.com/forum/index.php?topic=118.0

The Germans in particular had some... odd... guns. Some of the oddest have come back in one form or another. (Including a gun designed to shoot around corners.)

Hmmm, perhaps a BFoG: WtF? book might be handy... covering all periods, like the Puckle Gun - the first machine gun, made in 1718. Muzzle loading... with nine shots... designed to fire square bullets for use against non-Christians....

The Auld Grump, the world is a strange and worrying place....

[foproy]

also the small pistol with a folding knife blade and brass knuckles built in. i dont know what that one is called.

[Aragathor]

WWII weapons will be covered in a BFOG release in the future. I may just end up drafting some forumites to help fill them out this time around

I hear you.

Hmmm, perhaps a BFoG: WtF? book might be handy... covering all periods, like the Puckle Gun - the first machine gun, made in 1718. Muzzle loading... with nine shots... designed to fire square bullets for use against non-Christians....

That gives me a wicked idea...

also the small pistol with a folding knife blade and brass knuckles built in. i dont know what that one is called.

There were several types of combined weapons in the past, most of them without a specific name.
In this case it would simply be called a pistol.

[OverNinja]

WWII weapons will be covered in a BFOG release in the future. I may just end up drafting some forumites to help fill them out this time around

I'm down

[Krensky]

also the small pistol with a folding knife blade and brass knuckles built in. i dont know what that one is called.

An Apache.  Named, if I recall, after a Parisian street gang of the same name.  Pinfire, no barrel.  Sort of the original Saturday night special.

http://www.hellinahandbasket.net/2006/11/is_that_an_apache_in_your_pock.htm

[Crafty_Pat]

Hmmm, perhaps a BFoG: WtF? book might be handy... covering all periods, like the Puckle Gun - the first machine gun, made in 1718. Muzzle loading... with nine shots... designed to fire square bullets for use against non-Christians....

LOL! That's an awesome idea! Logged for future consideration...

[Salsa]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Weapon-That-Fires-Around-Corners-58597.shtml

[OverNinja]

Already mentioned on an another thread.
Here's the company link.

http://www.cornershot.com/

[TheAuldGrump]

Already mentioned on an another thread.
Here's the company link.

http://www.cornershot.com/

From Wikipedia  - a WWII SMG designed to fire around corners -

MP44, StG44

On 6 April 1944, Adolf Hitler issued the following decree:

    a) The former MG42 is to retain the same designation
    b) The former self-loading rifle, known as the Gewehr 43, shall receive the designation Karabiner 43 (K43).
    c) The former new MP, known as the MP43, shall receive the designation MP44.

In July 1944 at a meeting of the various army heads about the Eastern Front, when Hitler asked what they needed, a general blurted out "More of these new rifles!" This caused some confusion, but once Hitler was given a chance to test fire the MP44, he was impressed and gave it the title Sturmgewehr. Seeing the possibility of a propaganda gain, the rifle was again renamed as the StG44, to highlight the new class of weapon it represented, translated "assault rifle, model 1944", thereby introducing the term.

By the end of the war, some 425,977 StG44 variants of all types were produced. The assault rifle proved a valuable weapon, especially on the Eastern front, where it was first deployed. A properly trained soldier with an StG44 had an improved tactical repertoire, in that he could effectively engage targets at longer ranges than with an MP40, but be much more useful than the Kar98k in close combat, as well as provide light cover fire like a light machine gun.

The StG44 was an intermediate weapon for the period; the muzzle velocity from its 42 cm barrel was 647 m/s, compared to 880 m/s (K98k), 744 m/s (Bren), 600 m/s (M2 Carbine), and 365 m/s (MP40).

One unusual addition to the design was the Krummlauf, a bent barrel with a periscope sighting device attached for shooting around corners from a safe position. It was produced in several variants, an "I"-version for infantry use, a "P" version for use in tanks (to cover the dead areas in the close range around the tank, to defend against assaulting infantry), versions with 30°, 45°, 60° and 90° bends, a version for the StG44 and one for the MG 42. Only the 30° "I" version for the StG44 was produced in any numbers.

A primary use of the MP44/StG44 was to counter the Soviet PPS and PPSh submachine guns, which used a 7.62 x 25 mm round. These cheap mass-produced weapons used a 71-round drum magazine or 35-round "box" magazine and though shorter-ranged than the Kar98krifle were more effective weapons in close quarter combat. The StG44, while also lacking the range of the Kar98k, had a longer range than the PPS/PPSh submachine guns and a comparable rate of fire. Also, while they could fire fully automatic, they were designed to default to semi-auto fire. They were surprisingly accurate, and their slow rate of fire gave them controllability even on full-auto. While the design details are quite different, the concept of the StG44 was obviously carried on in the most famous and most numerously manufactured assault rifle, the AK-47.





The Auld Grump