Operation: Nightfall

[Crafty_Pat]

Any news on this?

We're in the end run on Fantasy Craft, so they're closer than ever — that, and there's been a bit of a development behind the scenes that should make getting everything out much, much easier in the future. (You're already seeing the effects of it with our somewhat more aggressive PDF schedule but you can expect even more in 2009.)

Watch for our State of the Company — 'round the end of the month — for details.

[Salsa]

Being a brazilian, I'm coming across numerous inconsistencies while reading the "Brazil part" of the PDF. I'll summarize them once I have finished. I just think better research should have been done before writing.

[Crafty_Pat]

Being a brazilian, I'm coming across numerous inconsistencies while reading the "Brazil part" of the PDF. I'll summarize them once I have finished. I just think better research should have been done before writing.

To be fair, the original shorts were written under strict deadlines while I was at AEG and I did the best I could with what I had at the time.

(This is, BTW, why most folks don't bother writing anything set in the real world, and why most companies turn to pure, unadulterated fantasy with base premises whenever possible. It's just not worth trying to please the purists, let alone the myriad folks who will invariably know more than you can ever learn.)

[MilitiaJim]

Being a brazilian, I'm coming across numerous inconsistencies while reading the "Brazil part" of the PDF. I'll summarize them once I have finished. I just think better research should have been done before writing.

I, personally, am interested in what isn't quite right.  But to be honest I'm not stressing over anything that is not egregiously wrong.  I'm not going to be taking people to task for most omissions regarding places I know well.  (I grew up in New York City, for all you Seinfield viewers:  The inside of Tom's Diner doesn't look like that, but the food is good and has reasonable prices.)

What bits are not quite right?  And which mission was Nightfall?  I don't want to know too much if I haven't played it yet.

[Krensky]

Being a brazilian, I'm coming across numerous inconsistencies while reading the "Brazil part" of the PDF. I'll summarize them once I have finished. I just think better research should have been done before writing.

To be fair, the original shorts were written under strict deadlines while I was at AEG and I did the best I could with what I had at the time.

(This is, BTW, why most folks don't bother writing anything set in the real world, and why most companies turn to pure, unadulterated fantasy with base premises whenever possible. It's just not worth trying to please the purists, let alone the myriad folks who will invariably know more than you can ever learn.)

In other words, stop complaining that the overworked and much abused writers made some stuff up about your tiny, obscure country that no one can find on a map anyway.

The above post may contain sarcasm, snark, or quite possibly both and is presented solely as a Discordian exercise and should no way be viewed as serious. Even if it is true that most USian college freshmen can't find Brazil on a map. It's not Brazil's fault, most of those kids can't find the US on a map either.

[glimmerrat]

Yeah, i mean it's not like Brazil's frickin huge... oh no, wait... 

[Salsa]

In other words, stop complaining that the overworked and much abused writers made some stuff up about your tiny, obscure country that no one can find on a map anyway.

The above post may contain sarcasm, snark, or quite possibly both and is presented solely as a Discordian exercise and should no way be viewed as serious. Even if it is true that most USian college freshmen can't find Brazil on a map. It's not Brazil's fault, most of those kids can't find the US on a map either.

Krensky, I would never take anything coming from you seriously
Keep up with your discordian excersises you're getting good at it. lol

Anyway, I just commented on the fact. I'm not saying the text is not good, but the same way you guys don't like when someone writes inconsistencies (especially language-wise which are some of the examples in here) I also have the right of mentioning it, I never complained or bashed the fiction for that. That being said I still watch old Bond movies even though it shows an amazon river chase that ends in the Iguaçu Falls and he arrives at an Astec Pyramid. Unnecessary to say that, the amazon river doesn't go all the way to the south of the country, it could never led to the Iguaçu Falls, and we don't have pyramids!!

Before I post the corrections for those who are interested, here are somethings that I found to be wrong.

The characters mix-up languages all the time, I can't never be sure if they are spanish speakers (pretty much the rest Tof south america), italians or brazilians. The portuguese isn't properly written, if the case is that they are speaking portuguese all the time, which makes Emilio brazilian I guess. I can't tell where they are actually from.

The Paradise Falls title connection with the city is wrong. Falls is translated as Cataratas. Caídas is the plural of the verb Fall when used in place of Fallen for feminine, so the only way I can understand this is that someone used an internet translator. When the attacker curses that's not portuguese, I'm not sure if it's italian, but it should be "Filho da puta". These language translations are minor compared to what's next.

There isn't and there was never bullfighting in brazil, for that we don't have bullfighting stadiums, we don't support any kind of animal harm. I do understand that the character likes swords and the bullfighting was used as a way of explaining his interest and handling of such weapons. Well, I guess this is waaaay different from a simple restaurant decoration.

[Mortadelo]

When the attacker curses that's not portuguese, I'm not sure if it's italian, but it should be "Filho da puta". These language translations are minor compared to what's next..

It sounds very italian for me.

[MilitiaJim]

I'm pretty sure it was an internet translator.  Now I know who to pester when I need some good translating done.  Mwahah you're doomed.   

I didn't know you didn't bullfight.  I sorta presumed it happened down there.  I enjoyed watching a bullfight when I was in Mexico.  Yeah, I guess we do sorta lump everything south of Florida together. 

There weren't any Aztecs in Brazil, but was there anybody else who could have built a pyramid?

[Crafty_Pat]

My apologies for the inconsistencies, and I hope that my response wasn't too pouty. It is sometimes trying to give a game the global flavor it needs when you're on a tight deadline without the benefit of professional translators, historians, and cultural specialists. In this case I went with the best tools I had, which clearly produced results that worked for most but didn't pass muster with the truly informed. It happens. As Jim says, now I know where to go for proper Portuguese translations.

As to the bullfighting, that was something I did confirm somewhere during the process, though it was ages ago and I can't for the life of me say where or how. Clearly my source was wrong. Again, my apologies.

EDIT: I should also point out that it's unlikely these problems will plague Crafty, at least not as prevalently, given that we don't push product out until it's well and done. Mistakes will happen, of course, but we can afford ourselves the time to get it at least mostly right. I don't think there's much in the second novelette that needs checking but I'll certainly be more diligent when I get back to it.

[Bigode]

Don't have Nightfall, but I can assure you that any curse used other than "filho/filha da puta" ("son/daughter of a whore"), it was wrong.

But more importantly, with regards to bullfighting, it did happen in the past (don't know whether you depicted it somewhen after 1932).

Translation:

Porto Alegre had both corridas de touros and bullfighting in a venue on the Campo da Redenção, where the park of same name exists nowadays. With cavaleiros, bandarilheiros, forcados and pega, as well as tauromachy pantomines, they were considered social, artistic and entertainment events, attracting people of all social classes.

The information available nowadays doesn't tell whether bulls were sacrificed on presentations.

There were praças de touros in São Paulo, Santos, Cuiabá, Curitiba, Salvador and Rio de Janeiro, then the national capital. In the latter, there were bullfights recorded in film during the centenary commemoration of Brazilian independence.

Bullfights and corridas de touros were banned in 1934 by Getúlio Vargas, along with the hilariously-named cockfighting.

Untranslated terms are all defined at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese-style_bullfighting .

And yes, I too could help with translations to/from Portuguese should you ever need them again. Maybe German too, but you probably have plenty of natives for that.