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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2010, 02:36:37 PM »

Of course aside from the fiction I have enjoyed a great deal of things such as
SPYCRAFT: The Secret History of the CIA's Spytechs from Communism to Al-Qaeda by Robert Wallace and H. Keith Melton

LEGACY OF ASHES: THE HISTORY OF THE CIA
by Tim Weiner,

this site
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/lehman/guides/intell.html

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U.S. Intelligence: Evolution and Anatomy
By Mark M. Lowenthal

There where also some good specials on the military channel that covered various Black Ops that now have been declassified but I can't seem to recall the name
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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2010, 07:40:45 PM »

So would MAD magazines Spy vs Spy count
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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2010, 09:57:44 PM »

So would MAD magazines Spy vs Spy count

I'll count 'em Smiley
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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2010, 10:09:17 PM »

So would MAD magazines Spy vs Spy count

I'll count 'em Smiley

I will be flabbergasted if SC3 actually manages to be capable of emulating that style of espionage.
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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2010, 10:14:02 PM »

I can't believe that this didn't make it on to my list but the

1984 Cloak & Dagger was a childhood favorite of mine
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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2010, 11:16:25 PM »

So would MAD magazines Spy vs Spy count

I'll count 'em Smiley

I will be flabbergasted if SC3 actually manages to be capable of emulating that style of espionage.

Why? SC2 just needed one campaign quality to do Paranoia.
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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2010, 06:52:55 PM »

I can't believe that this didn't make it on to my list but the

1984 Cloak & Dagger was a childhood favorite of mine

Good catch! For a kid's movie, its actually got some real suspense going on.
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« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2010, 07:07:00 PM »

So would MAD magazines Spy vs Spy count

I'll count 'em Smiley

I will be flabbergasted if SC3 actually manages to be capable of emulating that style of espionage.

Why? SC2 just needed one campaign quality to do Paranoia.

Aside from the fact that, as I have repeatedly stated before, I haven't read SC2, I would believe there is a noticeable distinction between the Paranoia RPG system and two spies mindlessly trying to exact violence upon each other for literally no reason.
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« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2010, 09:31:27 PM »

Since it was just mentioned in another thread I have to include it here
True Lies    if we are going to mention it

Collateral Damage
Eraser
Red Heat
Commando
and many more of his flicks I am sure are all guilty pleasures of mine
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« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2010, 10:32:24 PM »

Air America really should be on the list as a must see. 
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2010, 01:38:55 AM »

I am going to put Magnum PI here instead of the 10k bullets thread because the more I look at Magnum the more I think trouble shooter vs say a PI
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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2010, 02:16:38 PM »

I am going to put Magnum PI here instead of the 10k bullets thread because the more I look at Magnum the more I think trouble shooter vs say a PI

I think Magnum's still in the crime genre more than the spy genre. While he certainly gets up to some paramilitary stuff in certain episodes, his attitude, voice, and cases are much more in the vein of Philip Marlowe or Archie Goodwin (with the rich, unseen patron being Nero Wolfe) than Bond or Fisher. I seem to recall there even being an episode in black-and-white that was a deliberate homage/parody of noir cliches.
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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2010, 02:20:25 PM »

Aside from the fact that, as I have repeatedly stated before, I haven't read SC2, I would believe there is a noticeable distinction between the Paranoia RPG system and two spies mindlessly trying to exact violence upon each other for literally no reason.

Then you've never played Paranoia properly. Wink
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« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2010, 05:42:42 PM »

I am going to put Magnum PI here instead of the 10k bullets thread because the more I look at Magnum the more I think trouble shooter vs say a PI

I think Magnum's still in the crime genre more than the spy genre. While he certainly gets up to some paramilitary stuff in certain episodes, his attitude, voice, and cases are much more in the vein of Philip Marlowe or Archie Goodwin (with the rich, unseen patron being Nero Wolfe) than Bond or Fisher. I seem to recall there even being an episode in black-and-white that was a deliberate homage/parody of noir cliches.
You make some very valid points but at the end of the day if I had to stat  them up
Magnum with his SOG and NIS background and the more than frequent being shot/shotting at people and sneaking around I would have to go with something most likely the up and coming commando class
Rick is easily a Faceman
T.C. a Wheelman
Higgens is a tuff nutt to crack but would certainly be from the spy side vs noir side.
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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2010, 05:47:57 PM »

I am going to put Magnum PI here instead of the 10k bullets thread because the more I look at Magnum the more I think trouble shooter vs say a PI

I think Magnum's still in the crime genre more than the spy genre. While he certainly gets up to some paramilitary stuff in certain episodes, his attitude, voice, and cases are much more in the vein of Philip Marlowe or Archie Goodwin (with the rich, unseen patron being Nero Wolfe) than Bond or Fisher. I seem to recall there even being an episode in black-and-white that was a deliberate homage/parody of noir cliches.

This. Magnum isn't particularly espionage; given his background as a SEAL, his initial base class is likely Commando but I think that's about as close as you're going to get. There's no trade craft, it's basically an action comedy with darker overtones that come from referencing the Vietnam War  
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