Sara Conner's Stories

[Ezram]

Is that on the Extreme or Ultimate DVD set?

[ThunderMonkey]

They're not, which is the point. I'm talking about the Director's Cut, which had the "Skynet erased" ending before the suits interfered. It was how the film was originally intended to end - which is why it's in the novelisation, along with the Reese dream and the resetting of Arnie's CPU to 'write' mode.

They are going forward with a T4 movie if the writers' strike ever ends. At last call or rumor... Christian Bale was slated to play the John Connor role with the movie taking place in the future with an all-out battle or battles between man and machine.

Too bad James Cameron won't come back.

So... is the Summer character... named "Cameron" supposed to be some tip of the hat to James Cameron?

[Ezram]

So... is the Summer character... named "Cameron" supposed to be some tip of the hat to James Cameron?

Yep.

As an aside, I heard Mr. Bale would play the role of Kyle Reese. Guess these sources have to get their story straight...

[ThunderMonkey]

So... is the Summer character... named "Cameron" supposed to be some tip of the hat to James Cameron?

Yep.

As an aside, I heard Mr. Bale would play the role of Kyle Reese. Guess these sources have to get their story straight...

You know how Hollywood rumors go... 

[Ezram]

Like a blindfolded drunk driver steering a semi with one hand?

[ThunderMonkey]

Like a blindfolded drunk driver steering a semi with one hand?

Pretty much...

Wait... you've been to Arkansas?

[Ezram]

Nope.

But now i'm not so sure I want to either  .

[Forcegypsy]

Totally unspoiled for this and I must say the first installment went by in a flash. We'll see how well the quality holds up after the initial introduction. The actress they cast for Sarah Connor is believable for me and I'm looking forward to seeing where they take this story. Does anyone know if James Cameron is involved at all, or is the bodyguard terminator (Cameron/Summer) the extent of his presence in this project?

[Wolverine]

It really does seem like they've hit onto the main reason for including Summer as a female Terminator with one of the show posters: as found at IMDb.

I've seen the pilot episode already (unless there a difference between the preair and actual pilot), so I'm waiting for the subsequent episodes to see how things go.

[mouthymerc]

Watched the pilot last night and liked it.  Very shades of T2.  Going to watch the second episode tonight so we shall see how it does now that the basics have been laid.

[Ezram]

That picture is disturbing  . But what's annoying is that it sometimes come down a'swinging as an ad...

[ThunderMonkey]

Watched the pilot last night and liked it.  Very shades of T2.  Going to watch the second episode tonight so we shall see how it does now that the basics have been laid.

I had watched T2 earlier last week and saw T3 last night after watching the pilot.

I thought it held up pretty well...

Looks like they finally got into their heads that time isn't necessarily in a straight line. Thus, the continuity of T3 could interrupted.

[Ezram]

I wonder if Richard Jones's role will be significant.

[mouthymerc]

Watching the episode got me thinking, though.  Every time they think they have stopped Skynet, something else comes along to keep it going and makes it seem inevitable.  Why would that not also be true for the rebellion and its leader?  Even if Skynet killed John Conner, why wouldn't someone else take his place as the leader of the resistance?

[Krensky]

Watching the episode got me thinking, though.  Every time they think they have stopped Skynet, something else comes along to keep it going and makes it seem inevitable.  Why would that not also be true for the rebellion and its leader?  Even if Skynet killed John Conner, why wouldn't someone else take his place as the leader of the resistance?

That depends entirely on the temporal causality theories the writers decided to use at the time. Some theories (which I've heard termed the retcon theory) postulate that events still happen, but their meaning and shape changes. Someone else filling John's role would fall into that. There's also the theory that the universe conspires against paradox so no matter what you try your attempts to alter the path will fail. Then there's the many worlds theory which basically says that since everything happens when you go back in time you're just moving your perception onto a time line where you went back in time and your home time line is unchanged (other then the fact you're not there). The other major theory is that causality is maintained along with linear time, which means you can change the past, but you can't change it in such a way as to prevent you from going back in time to change it. This means you really can't do anything of value. This is the theory Twelve Monkeys and the recent Time Machine used. This is the theory, from my limited understanding and reading of those with more understanding, that has the most scientifically plausibility (whatever that means here ).

Under that theory there's nothing Skynet can do to kill John off prior to the last time (in the future) it sent a Terminator back to do so. Similarly there's nothing the Connors can do to stop or defeat Skynet prior to John sending Reese back. If either of these were to happen, the agency in question no longer has a reason to have sent the time traveler back. So they wouldn't have. In John's case this means he was never born. In Skynet's case, it means that it didn't send the agent back because John wasn't a threat (or around, technically). Properly, Skynet's already lost since the Resistance is as far as we know winning upstream and Skynet, by sending the T101 back in the first movie, sent the events of it's own destruction in motion.

Ironically, Skynet's best move in the first movie would have been to do nothing. If John sent Reese back to ensure his birth, nothing changes for it, and if he doesn't John would disappear from history. Really, Skynet shouldn't have even messed around with time travel at all since if it didn't build the machine, John couldn't have used it.