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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2010, 10:23:45 PM »

Ironically, the class that benefits most from "Ph.D" is actually the Sage, due to its core ability

I was under the impression that the official rule was Scientist class skills only - stopping the pointman from using it's 1st level ability and grabbing PhD anything via crossclass ability?  I could be wrong though.

No, you're correct.

Keepers/Scientists and Sages/Pointmen share Crafting, Haggle, Investigate, Notice, Medicine, Search, Sense Motive & Tactics, and anyone planning on using Trade Secrets/Ph.D would likely be targeting the Bluff, Impress, Resolve & Survival with BoE in order to cut down the skill excess point expense required for those extra 5 ranks

Ah, of course.  Sorry I misinterpreted what you meant.
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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2010, 10:27:17 AM »

I'm just hoping that the Wheelman makes the final cut Wink  I'm a big fan of The Transporter franchise and have a player in my group that loves the class Wink
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2010, 10:32:23 AM »

I'm just hoping that the Wheelman makes the final cut Wink  I'm a big fan of The Transporter franchise and have a player in my group that loves the class Wink

I'd second the Wheelman option too (and not just for cars) . One of my SC PCs is an ex-Air Force pilot and another is going to be an astronaut.
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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2010, 11:09:41 AM »

I like the Wheelman as well ... I have a NUMA game that I was playing and my character is a boat expert. Consider also that in a rollerblade or skydiving chase, it never hurts to have another Wheelman, although my LSpy character always packed a reserve chute in a belt as a gadget to be on the safe side.
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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2010, 11:41:52 AM »

I'm just hoping that the Wheelman makes the final cut Wink  I'm a big fan of The Transporter franchise and have a player in my group that loves the class Wink
When I am lucky enough to play I have have found the Wheelman to be one of my favorite classes to play. 
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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2010, 11:49:34 AM »

Just remember that the Wheelman can do much more than just drive/pilot the vehicle. A well-designed wheelman does more than control the vehicle or just sit in the van. He also can be an infiltrator, an engineer, an outdoorsman (even an expert equestrian), or a trucker with a mean right hook and a talent for improvised weaponry.
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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2010, 11:52:05 AM »

Just remember that the Wheelman can do much more than just drive/pilot the vehicle. A well-designed wheelman does more than control the vehicle or just sit in the van. He also can be an infiltrator, an engineer, an outdoorsman (even an expert equestrian), or a trucker with a mean right hook and a talent for improvised weaponry.


QFT ... Exactly Smiley
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« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2010, 12:15:14 PM »

Just remember that the Wheelman can do much more than just drive/pilot the vehicle. A well-designed wheelman does more than control the vehicle or just sit in the van. He also can be an infiltrator, an engineer, an outdoorsman (even an expert equestrian), or a trucker with a mean right hook and a talent for improvised weaponry.
All I know is they handle them selves just fine in a firefight they may not have as many feats as a soldier but they have just as good of a BaB.
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« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2010, 01:27:39 PM »

Just remember that the Wheelman can do much more than just drive/pilot the vehicle. A well-designed wheelman does more than control the vehicle or just sit in the van. He also can be an infiltrator, an engineer, an outdoorsman (even an expert equestrian), or a trucker with a mean right hook and a talent for improvised weaponry.

I actually disgree with this statement. The Wheelman can do none of things by virtue of the wheelman class that a character with the same skill options couldn't do.

Here's a challenge - instead of telling us you love the wheelman (noted), name me a character in popular espionage fiction who is a monoclassed wheelman and nothing else.

I would say Bourne is not. Bond is not - each do things with cars, but neither is clearly, from the class ability style effects he demonstrates, a wheelman instead of being a soldier, troubleshooter, assassin, etc. They just happen to be very good in chases.
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« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2010, 01:51:20 PM »

I agree a class solely devoted to driving doesn't fit a espionage genre.

Now I could see this as a class in 10kB.
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« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2010, 01:55:54 PM »

What Alex said.

Because its easy to side with him, but also because he's right.

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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2010, 02:20:05 PM »

Here's a challenge - instead of telling us you love the wheelman (noted), name me a character in popular espionage fiction who is a monoclassed wheelman and nothing else.

I was going to argue Frank Martin from the Transporter series of films.
However, you did specify espionage and I can't really argue that they are.
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« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2010, 02:27:43 PM »

Here's a challenge - instead of telling us you love the wheelman (noted), name me a character in popular espionage fiction who is a monoclassed wheelman and nothing else.

Looking at how characters in espionage fiction have been statted in the past, the only monoclasses have all been pointmen... Which I understand is something you're already changing/fixing. Smiley
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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2010, 02:55:43 PM »

Not exactly espionage in the strictest sense but H.M. "Howling Mad" Murdock and to an extent even B.A Baracus. 
If we want to talk about corporate espionage there is always Speed Racer =)
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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2010, 03:00:23 PM »

Not exactly espionage in the strictest sense but H.M. "Howling Mad" Murdock and to an extent even B.A Baracus. 
If we want to talk about corporate espionage there is always Speed Racer =)


I would have to agree these are most likely the best example, especially Murdock.
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