Path of Strength: Size change?

[Deral]

The severity is of less concern to me than the character suddenly needing Large scaled armor, suggesting, again, a character upwards of 7 1/2 feet tall or at least outstanding girth.

Depending on how you run it, the character could have been getting bigger (and/or buffer) slowly as he advanced in the ranks of the priesthood, so he's had time to adjust his existing armor and plan for finally tipping over the threshold to Large.  Or maybe he gets his size change after a night spent in solitude and vigil at a shrine to his god, after which he emerges with appropriately-sized weapons and armor.

So I take it what you're saying is that there does not appear to be a canonical answer as to whether this is a virtual, actual, or cinematic increase in size, nor whether it it is immediate or gradual.

From what Alex said, I'd guess the closest thing to a canonical answer is that size changes, and that a change in footprint is not inherent, and the rest is probably something that should be handled by the GM, as there are far too many possible cases to have each taken care of with rules, it happens as quickly and is as visibly apparent as suits your game.

[pawsplay]

I'm a little out of my element, I'm afraid. I'm used to D&D, where there is usually a definite answer (or definitely not an answer) or GURPS or HERO (where a default is usually specified). Fantasy Craft reminds me of D6 Fantasy in a number of ways, and that is a path I have not trod in a while.

[Nepenthe]

I'm a little out of my element, I'm afraid. I'm used to D&D, where there is usually a definite answer (or definitely not an answer) or GURPS or HERO (where a default is usually specified). Fantasy Craft reminds me of D6 Fantasy in a number of ways, and that is a path I have not trod in a while.

Well, RAW, the character switches from M to L when he takes the third step in the path - so the change takes place at that moment. So I'd say there is a definite moment of change, if you want to use it! You are just not forced to do it that way, you can fudge it as much as you want.

[Khaalis]

Ok, so I want to see if I have this correct.

Example: Changing Size from Medium to Large

* Medium = Footprint 1x1 & Reach  1
* Change in size does from Medium to Large dose NOT inherently change Footprint or Reach, but I COULD if the GM so decides?

What DOES inherently increase is:
•   Wounds increase to CON score x1.5
•   Blend, Sneak and Conceal checks suffers a -4 penalty
•   You are more easily tracked granting a +2 bonus to track you
•   You require large sized armor, weapons and mount
•   Carrying Capacity increases to STR+5
•   Defense decreases by -1
•   Can Trample attack Small sized creatures
•   Bull Rush, Disarm, Grapple, Trip = +4 size bonus assuming still against medium

You can also have “Large” creatures that are any of the following?
•   1x1 Reach 1
•   1x2 Reach 1
•   2x2 Reach 1
•   2x2 Reach 2
•   2x3 Reach 1
•   2x3 Reach 2
•   3x3 Reach 1
•   3x3 Reach 2

[aegis]

Change in size does from Medium to Large dose NOT inherently change Footprint or Reach, but I COULD if the GM so decides?

I wouldn't say that. It could change Footprint if the GM so decides, but it definitely couldn't change Reach if it isn't said explicitely in the rules. Increasing Reach is a pretty neat advantage, though not as tremendous as in D&D.

[Nepenthe]

* Change in size does from Medium to Large dose NOT inherently change Footprint or Reach, but I COULD if the GM so decides?

Well, on the principle that whatever the GM says, goes, yes. It's not the way it's intended to work, and would probably either be overpowering or just break things, but yeah. Of course, I'd place this on a par with the GM deciding that longbows can only be used in hand-to-hand combat and hit like 2-handed rapiers, but hey...

[Morgenstern]

Ok, so I want to see if I have this correct.

Example: Changing Size from Medium to Large

* Medium = Footprint 1x1 & Reach  1
* Change in size does from Medium to Large dose NOT inherently change Footprint or Reach, but I COULD if the GM so decides?

What DOES inherently increase is:
•   Wounds increase to CON score x1.5
•   Blend, Sneak and Conceal checks suffers a -4 penalty
•   You are more easily tracked granting a +2 bonus to track you
•   You require large sized armor, weapons and mount
•   Carrying Capacity increases to STR+5
•   Defense decreases by -1
•   Can Trample attack Small sized creatures
•   Bull Rush, Disarm, Grapple, Trip = +4 size bonus assuming still against medium

That all looks sound to me.

You can also have “Large” creatures that are any of the following?
•   1x1 Reach 1
•   1x2 Reach 1
•   2x2 Reach 1
•   2x2 Reach 2
•   2x3 Reach 1
•   2x3 Reach 2
•   3x3 Reach 1
•   3x3 Reach 2

You could have reach go much higher than that (and have rectangular footprints like 2x1 or 3x2) but I think you are talking about humanoids, so yes, that also appears correct.

[Deral]

People have mentioned that Reach doesn't change unless it says so specifically, or of course if the GM wants to change something, but by default Reach is just an advantage, one little nitpicky thing though:

Ok, so I want to see if I have this correct.

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•   You require large sized... weapons...

I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure this would be better worded as "You can wield large sized weapons" I don't think there's anything stopping a large creature from using a weapon built for a smaller creature.

[Desertpuma]

great breakdown Khaalis!

Ok, so I want to see if I have this correct.

Example: Changing Size from Medium to Large

* Medium = Footprint 1x1 & Reach  1
* Change in size does from Medium to Large dose NOT inherently change Footprint or Reach, but I COULD if the GM so decides?

What DOES inherently increase is:
•   Wounds increase to CON score x1.5
•   Blend, Sneak and Conceal checks suffers a -4 penalty
•   You are more easily tracked granting a +2 bonus to track you
•   You require large sized armor, weapons and mount
•   Carrying Capacity increases to STR+5
•   Defense decreases by -1
•   Can Trample attack Small sized creatures
•   Bull Rush, Disarm, Grapple, Trip = +4 size bonus assuming still against medium

You can also have “Large” creatures that are any of the following?
•   1x1 Reach 1
•   1x2 Reach 1
•   2x2 Reach 1
•   2x2 Reach 2
•   2x3 Reach 1
•   2x3 Reach 2
•   3x3 Reach 1
•   3x3 Reach 2

[spinningdice]

I could be wrong but I didn't think wound increases were inherant to size increase?

[Morgenstern]

I've always thought of size/Con multiplier to determine wounds as being hard linked.

[pawsplay]

I've always thought of size/Con multiplier to determine wounds as being hard linked.

p.230 indicates that for NPCs.

[Arakor]

I've always thought of size/Con multiplier to determine wounds as being hard linked.

p.230 indicates that for NPCs.

p.9, 13, 15 & 16 all indicate that the Size and Con multiplier for Wounds are indicated for PCs as well.

Originally I was going to say that just because your Size category's increases, it doesn't necessarily follow that you've physically altered in size. However, since it doesn't say that you are considered 1 size category larger like it does for a Giant or Dwarf's "Improved Stability"; I've come to the conclusion that you have physically grown to the minimum size required for the next category.

[Crafty_Alex]

I've always thought of size/Con multiplier to determine wounds as being hard linked.

p.230 indicates that for NPCs.

p.9, 13, 15 & 16 all indicate that the Size and Con multiplier for Wounds are indicated for PCs as well.

Correct.