Dwarves can't Swim

[pawsplay]

Humans are a species but I can say that I am definitely a different race than most anyone of Indian, Asian, African or Native American race.

I can't. My ancestrors probably include Romani (gypsies), who are from India originally, and I am part Cherokee. I also have Jewish ancestors, who are Semitic. I don't know for a fact I have African Ancestors, but I don't know that I do. And Native Americans and northern Chinese are racially related.

[Desertpuma]

I meant on the whole ... I've got half of northern Europe in my heritage plus some Lakota and Sioux.

My point is that race is a subspecies trait. You could classify someone as Human/Native American/Navajo or Dwarf/Cliff Born. They are just a different species but the Cliff Born race of Dwarves can swim.

[pawsplay]

I meant on the whole ... I've got half of northern Europe in my heritage plus some Lakota and Sioux.

My point is that race is a subspecies trait. You could classify someone as Human/Native American/Navajo or Dwarf/Cliff Born. They are just a different species but the Cliff Born race of Dwarves can swim.

I object to the comparison. The splinter races in FC are distinct types with notably different characteristics. Human groups have roughly the same characteristics. The human splinter races (neanderthal, homo robustis, etc) are extinct. Apart from some geographic isolation here and there, human population groups have been interbreeding continuously our whole existence.

[Wolverine]

I object to the comparison. The splinter races in FC are distinct types with notably different characteristics. Human groups have roughly the same characteristics. The human splinter races (neanderthal, homo robustis, etc) are extinct. Apart from some geographic isolation here and there, human population groups have been interbreeding continuously our whole existence.

Okay, I could continue this conversation, but I think it's time we moved on from this point. Please.

Fantasy Craft has decided to model Species and Races in this manner, and that's the way it is. If you don't like how one or more species have been treated in the rules, then there's is nothing stopping you from tweaking their rules to suit your home game. Just remember that losing a penalty (like Iconic Classes or Banned Actions) means losing some bonuses as well.

[spinningdice]

To go back, the idea does have some merit, even if you consider such bonuses/penalties cultural rather than physical/psychological. Particularly if you're looking at a more medieval style era where such things were more pronounced.
And as assume that human 'subrace' feats aren't necessary to play a member of the specific ethnic group.

[SilvercatMoonpaw]

Mostly I like to bypass it because it strikes me too odd.  I don't argue this from a stance that it's completely not possible, my suspension of disbelief just takes a hit that a sentient brain isn't flexible enough to work outside its comfort zone once and a while.  That would be at least "spend an action die to bypass ban".  Physiological reasons are okay, though for dwarves that still doesn't quite work.