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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2008, 01:31:11 PM »
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Chapter 26. You can't leave now. You just can't. 'cause you belong to the city.

When you said goodbye, you were on the run
Tryin' to get away from the things you've done
Now you're back again, and you're feeling strange
So much has happened, but nothing has changed

You still don't know where you're goin'
You're still just a face in the crowd

You belong to the city
You belong to the night
Livin' in a river of darkness
Beneath the neon lights

You were born in the city
Concrete under your feet
It's in your blood, it's in your moves
You're a man of the street


I hope I didn't go too far with the "heavy" narration. It feels like it's about to collapse in some spots, so wear a hardhat when you read it.

I'm kinda sorry for the mostly off-screen escape. I actually had it all worked out, but it's too long and involved and doesn't really matter to the story. Just doesn't flow very well in this context. So you get the summary.

Two more chapters, to be set to Suzanne Vega and Dire Straits, respectively. Then we are done and can move on to more light-hearted things.

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2008, 09:40:43 PM »
Two more chapters, to be set to Suzanne Vega and Dire Straits, respectively.
Would it be considered rude if I guessed the chapter titles? :)

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2008, 09:53:54 PM »
No, go ahead.

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2008, 06:39:22 AM »
The only Suzanne Vega song I think off that would remotely fit is "Tom's Diner", but even that's a stretch.  Then again, I don't much Suzanne Vega.

The easy move with Dire Straits would be "Money for Nothing", but considering the tone so far, I'm going to say "Brothers in Arms".

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2008, 06:56:04 AM »
1 of 2, not bad. ;)

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2008, 03:40:23 PM »
Well, it's likely going to be either Marlene on the Wall or The Princess and the Solider; given what we know of our hero's future, my money is on the latter.

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2008, 03:52:32 PM »
And thus we have 2 of 2. :)

If I get Wayward Son planned out like I fully intend to do, I'll be able to give you a list of bands beforehand and you guys can submit guesses with slightly more advance warning.

Then again, me and planning have a strained relationship at best.

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2008, 05:38:54 PM »
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Chapter 27. 'tis a tale of the Queen and the Soldier.

I'm not going to post an excerpt. All the lyrics, this time. The whole song.

Mark's not a very expressive guy, is he?

I'll 'fess up: in the original plan, Mark kills Alex. Horribly so. But then I thought that this doesn't make sense: all the bad things he did for her, he did because he thought it would be best. And knowing that she betrayed them doesn't really matter, in the end. And I think it's actually a "better" result. It would've been easy, though.

Here we have the breaking of Done's nose. And why Mark has a sword. Given the frequency with which Mark dumps weapons, he probably grabbed a whole lot of actual "fighting" swords to use and lose. That's it with the continuity porn, I swear.

One more chapter.

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2008, 07:02:50 AM »
Final chapter on the weekend, probably. Moving out of the dorms over the weekend and had my finals this week, so no work got done. To tide you over, here's something from eBay:

Airwolf!

I don't know about you guys, but I'm watching this. Might just be one of Equinox's cover IDs that wins the highest bid...

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2008, 07:33:46 AM »
It doesn't fly :(

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2008, 04:56:02 PM »
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It ends tonight.

These mist covered mountains
Are a home now for me
But my home is the lowlands
And always will be
Some day you'll return to
Your valleys and your farms
And you'll no longer burn
To be brothers in arms

Through these fields of destruction
Baptisms of fire
I've witnessed your suffering
As the battle raged higher
And though they did hurt me so bad
In the fear and alarm
You did not desert me
My brothers in arms

There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones

Now the sun's gone to hell
And the moon's riding high
Let me bid you farewell
Every man has to die
But it's written in the starlight
And every line on your palm
We're fools to make war
On our brothers in arms


I realize that not every possible question is answered here. Some (What will happen to Whitton?) are, I think, reasonably obvious and need no explicit answer. Other stuff (Where does Mark go?) I'm leaving open for the moment, though I'm reluctant to delve into another "Mark's past" story. A lot of it just doesn't need to be looked at.

As promised, here's a short list of songs I wanted to use but couldn't fit:

Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal (I believe I pointed this out in a very early chapter.)
Foreigner - That Was Yesterday (Very much like the band and the song, but couldn't make it fit the storyline.)
Jackson Browne - Lives in the Balance (Original plan included a trip to Colombia. Scrapped that pretty early.)
Queen - The Show Must Go On (Would've pushed the Queen quotient waaaay high. Also not actually an 80s song, to my great dismay. Grr.)

And probably a few more I can't remember right now.

Things would have been much easier if I had nudged the characterizations just a tiny bit from where they are now. The difficulty of working out the ending and the perhaps hesitant style in which it is written stems directly from the main actors being caught between very bad things and having to choose. Mark could have had Sharon. Their relationship wasn't doomed, and if he had been willing to throw Alex under the bus, or even step out of the way, he could have gotten that. But he wasn't willing to sell his "little sister" down the river. And I don't think it was the obvious "stupid" choice, either.

But enough of the analysis here, I'll write a seperate (and much more detailed) post with my take on the whole story. In the mean time, let's hear it from you - what did you guys think?

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2008, 09:49:15 PM »
I'm not sure how to analysis it.
Mark's trade is death, it's his answer. And that's mine. He chose his strength, chose to react in the way he couldn't fail. Shadow and I has discussed how that's a classic tragic hero trait; supremacy in a given realm that becomes it's bearer's downfall.
He and Sharon shot each other because neither would turn back. Too much purity for that much dichotomy.

My gut response is something like disgust. They had a good thing, and fucked it up. Sharon was far, FAR too grounded in normal and her death is on Mark's hands for letting her wander from her little orderly little playpen. Mark's failure is his naivety, seeing something concrete in the relativity. The tragedy is in the failure to transcend or even acknowledge their ultimately fatal flaws. Awareness has it's own value. It doesn't guarantee redemption, but good luck without it.

All that makes Two Guns an amazing story of coming-of-age, of crime and punishment, and of the tarnished ideals of the street.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2008, 10:36:27 PM by Valentina »

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2008, 10:03:14 PM »
As promised, I posted some additional notes on Two Guns here. More opinions welcome, of course.

Wayward Son will take a few weeks to prep. I'll see about bonus content in the meantime to tide you guys over.

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2008, 11:42:37 PM »
Hmm, neat. Very deliberately laid out and thought provoking. I'll have to reread Two Guns and feel the lay of the land now that I have a map to guide me.
Inspirational as well, and since I've been spamming you with PM's I thought I'd ask if you've got mental space for one more about weapons of choice?

And, having so read that, it's odd but...Alex is really the pivotal character. Mark's bloodily defended social status of criminal homeostasis existed as a financial goal. Or in other words, the status quo creates stability. And so if it hadn't been for Alex and Mark's loyalty to her father he could have opted to sit this drekstorm out.

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Re: (Ultimates) Two Guns
« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2008, 07:46:00 AM »
Sure, bring on the weapon of choice. If you walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm...

Well, how far would you go for your little sister? (Not that the Ingues family adopted Mark, but they might as well have.) It might not be what Mark actively wants, because he also wants to stop sacrificing things that matter to him, but it's what he feels is his duty. He swore on his life to protect her, and that's what he does with grim determination, (ultimately) no matter what it costs him or others.

The breaking point is the same as when he also tries to protect Sharon - he will not throw his life away. (From that perspective, getting arrested is the same is killing himself, mostly because New York had the death penalty on the books during this time and he's the perfect candidate.) He'll risk death, but he doesn't stand there and let people kill him. That's why he shoots Sharon, and that's why he leaves the family at the end...in his mind, the only other option to stop the insanity is to fall on his sword. Being the survivor type can be a bitch.

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