Spellbound Seer Unleashed

[Desertpuma]

The problem I see is the Spellcasting skill. It occured to me that it is akin to the "Virtual Feat" since in some classes. I actually consider it a "Virtual Skill" for all intensive purposes and therefore could not be cross-classed.

[Wolverine]

õ_o  Does a character have to "fill" his spellbook?  Can he learn less than his maximum number of spells known?

From re-reading the rules, it seems to imply that you always choose your full compliment of spells.

Would there be any particular reason you can think of to pick less than your maximum complement?

[Morgenstern]

A couple of Cross-Class questions affirmations, if you world amuse me.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Let's see if I can help out.

Pointman Cross-Classing:  With the current state of the RoW*, a Pointman could take a Path of... ability and cast 0 level spells.  We will only be able to learn spells from said Path, since he doesn't have the core ability which allows four 0 levels from any school.

Same as amy character multi-classing into a caster class later in life, yes.

He could later take Circle of Power I, but that won't do him any good since he has no SP without taking levels in a Caster class.  This also bars him from taking any casting trick feats and Spell Power.  The Pointman is a cantrip caster until further notice.*

Ooo... Good eye. I missed that. As a temporary fix, assume each time you use cross-class ability to pick up a class ability from a caster class it comes with 2 spell points per scene and 1 Casting level. We'll script up a formal version and incorporate it into future releases.

However, if he delays purchasing any ranks in Spellcasting until his next Cross-Class, he can take another Path, and learn spells from both schools when he buys his first rank.  It takes some incredible long term planning to be a versatile Cantrip-man right now.

Sorry, no delaying. it's by design that your initial load out be heavily focused in a single school.

Seer Cross-Class:  The Seer can pick up Circle of Power I from any other sorcerer class (right now, it's just Channeler), which stacks with his current Circle of Power to let him cast higher level spells a whole one class level earlier.  Not that impressive, but if nothing else interests you in the Mysterious Lore or the expansive Cross-Class list, it certainly doesn't hurt.  You only get one Cross-Class, so choose wisely.

Wow. Hadn't considered that aplication either, but its a dang good one. I'd kept the Career Level to Spell level relationship pretty tightly confined. Well played, sir. Well played.

*(Yeah, I know, Fantasycraft.  Only you guys have Fantasycraft, so telling us it will solve the problem does nothing but add to my frustration.  Until it's out, I'd rather you pretend anything outside the previews doesn't exist.)

I hope I haven't been pointing to Fantasy Craft for answers on magic, since that chapter is one I've intentionally delayed until Seer was done and out .

[Number Three]

Neat.  Don't mind me, I'm going to rearange some statements here.

Seer Cross-Class:  The Seer can pick up Circle of Power I from any other sorcerer class (right now, it's just Channeler), which stacks with his current Circle of Power to let him cast higher level spells a whole one class level earlier. [snip]

Wow. Hadn't considered that aplication either, but its a dang good one. I'd kept the Career Level to Spell level relationship pretty tightly confined. Well played, sir. Well played.

Seriously?  Because that's the first thing that came to mind when I saw it.  With that in mind...

[The Pointman] could later take Circle of Power I, but that won't do him any good since he has no SP without taking levels in a Caster class.  This also bars him from taking any casting trick feats and Spell Power.  The Pointman is a cantrip caster until further notice.*

Ooo... Good eye. I missed that. As a temporary fix, assume each time you use cross-class ability to pick up a class ability from a caster class it comes with 2 spell points per scene and 1 Casting level. We'll script up a formal version and incorporate it into future releases.

This would make a Seer grabbing Cross-Class Circle of Power I a no-brainer, and Cross-Classing any ablility outside a caster class a blockhead move when you could pick up a Caster level and 2 spell points in the deal.  Does anyone else get the feeling I just found a nasty patch of quicksand? 

However, if [the Pointman] delays purchasing any ranks in Spellcasting until his next Cross-Class, he can take another Path, and learn spells from both schools when he buys his first rank.  It takes some incredible long term planning to be a versatile Cantrip-man right now.

Sorry, no delaying. it's by design that your initial load out be heavily focused in a single school.

Emphasis mine:

Spellbook: When a sorcerer gains his first rank of Spellcasting, he immediately learns a number of spells of any level equal to his Wisdom score + his Spellcasting ranks.

Again, by the  RaW, sandbagging your spellbook is legit.  You just have to lug around a useless class ability for three levels.  Feel free to fix this if it wasn't your intent.

Mind you, finding a workaround for the Cross-Class/non-Caster problem makes the whole issue moot.

[Morgenstern]

I've got a semi-simple solution, but I'm gonna roll it around a little before exposing it to scrutiny .

[spinningdice]

I think personally you get 2SP + a Caster Level if you're not already a spellcaster.

[Number Three]

I've got a semi-simple solution, but I'm gonna roll it around a little before exposing it to scrutiny .

As long as it makes its way into Army of Deathbus everything should work out in the end.  I agree with the 2SP + Caster Level.  The details are the tricky part.

[Crafty_Pat]

However, the headers of Table 3 are wrong; they reflect the Channeler disciplines. It's an easy enough thing to fix next time the crafty guys revise this, of course.

Curses! One of those gaffs always slips through. <pout>

I'll make a note of it so we can catch it in the errata or a future update.

[Crafty_Pat]

The above post was made with tongue firmly in cheek. Of course the Seer rocks and I do not fault anyone at Crafty for putting out awesome product. Clearly my friends are to blame for not running Spycraft for me  .

All too true. So what do we have to do to get them to change their minds?

[Crafty_Pat]

He could later take Circle of Power I, but that won't do him any good since he has no SP without taking levels in a Caster class.  This also bars him from taking any casting trick feats and Spell Power.  The Pointman is a cantrip caster until further notice.*

Ooo... Good eye. I missed that. As a temporary fix, assume each time you use cross-class ability to pick up a class ability from a caster class it comes with 2 spell points per scene and 1 Casting level. We'll script up a formal version and incorporate it into future releases.

Already added to my errata/update file, which shall remain open as I look through the rest of the board this morning. 

Seer Cross-Class:  The Seer can pick up Circle of Power I from any other sorcerer class (right now, it's just Channeler), which stacks with his current Circle of Power to let him cast higher level spells a whole one class level earlier.  Not that impressive, but if nothing else interests you in the Mysterious Lore or the expansive Cross-Class list, it certainly doesn't hurt.  You only get one Cross-Class, so choose wisely.

Wow. Hadn't considered that aplication either, but its a dang good one. I'd kept the Career Level to Spell level relationship pretty tightly confined. Well played, sir. Well played.

Funny. I noticed it during edits as well but didn't say anything because I figured it was intended. 

Look at that! A bit of a glimpse behind the scenes...

[MugMug]

Question about the Many Roads class ability:
Does this allow taking the same Specialty three different times (i.e. lvls 1, 10, & 20)?

Walter

[Morgenstern]

Question about the Many Roads class ability:
Does this allow taking the same Specialty three different times (i.e. lvls 1, 10, & 20)?

Walter

No.

[MugMug]

Question about the Many Roads class ability:
Does this allow taking the same Specialty three different times (i.e. lvls 1, 10, & 20)?

No.

I didn't find anything in the rules to suggest this limitation; did I miss something? You may want to add this to The List.

Walter

[spinningdice]

True Strike I, Snap - appears on the table at 3rd level, but 2nd in the description (at least on the print friendly version, I've not checked the colour.

[Krensky]

True Strike I, Snap - appears on the table at 3rd level, but 2nd in the description (at least on the print friendly version, I've not checked the colour.

It's the same in the full version. I'm assuming, despite the usual rule to take the text over the table that the table is correct in this case.

It also brings to mind a question that I can't remember being asked (but I may be wrong). I'm assuming that if a print and full version of a PDF book are in disagreement, the full version wins. Is this right?