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Dueling canes
« on: October 15, 2008, 12:52:46 PM »
Hi,

Now I have had time to read to about page 200 in Mistborn and there is one thing bothering me that might get an answer here. I don't want any spoilers so I don't ask about rest of the stuff but what the heck are dueling canes? Are they some sort of quarter staffs or clubs? Or are they described in more detail later on in the book?

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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 01:12:41 PM »
It's a stick used like a sword.

Based on how it's used in fighting and in noble attire, it's probably a canne (it's French, not a typo) or a singlestick (think a cane with a leather and wicker basket hilt).

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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 03:19:02 PM »
It's basically like a cane you would use for walking, except made out of hardwood and used to bash people. So, yeah, kinda like a club, but more refined.
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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 11:55:35 PM »
Okay, thanks for the replies! I think I got it now.
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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 07:10:10 AM »
If you wanted to be nasty, you could add some obsidian flakes along an edge and paint it black.   ;D
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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2008, 07:23:44 AM »
If you wanted to be nasty, you could add some obsidian flakes along an edge and paint it black.   ;D

Or hollow the end and load it with a granite plug.
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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2009, 08:45:13 PM »
Nah, I like Garret's head-knocker from Glen Cook's series.  Drill the core out, fill it with lead.  You're really whacking them with what amounts to a lead pipe covered in wood.

Oh, which brings up nastier ideas.  Mistborn powers involve burning or ingesting metals (unclear on specifics)?  What keeps people from having walking staves, jewelry, breastplates, rings, etc. made from the useful metals?  You'd start missions out looking like Mr. T and end up looking like a walking bruise with one or two metal trinkets left.

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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2009, 09:03:33 PM »
Nah, I like Garret's head-knocker from Glen Cook's series.  Drill the core out, fill it with lead.  You're really whacking them with what amounts to a lead pipe covered in wood.

Oh, which brings up nastier ideas.  Mistborn powers involve burning or ingesting metals (unclear on specifics)?  What keeps people from having walking staves, jewelry, breastplates, rings, etc. made from the useful metals?  You'd start missions out looking like Mr. T and end up looking like a walking bruise with one or two metal trinkets left.

Or should I just shut up until I read the novels?

Filling it with lead defeats the purpose as a Hematurgist (with the right spike), or Allomancer can Push or Pull it. As for the Mr T look, all of that can be pulled or pushed on, and it's hard to swallow. Allomancers ingest metals as powders suspended in alcohol. Metal that isn't piercing or embedded in your flesh can be Pushed or Pulled. Stuff that is embedded in you can't, but can have it's own problems. An allomancer can only use metals in their stomach, however.
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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2009, 11:14:41 AM »
...and Feruchemists (you'll see more of them later) rely on metal that's worn. So no holding a sword and using it as a steelmind, say.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2009, 11:55:58 AM »
...and Feruchemists (you'll see more of them later) rely on metal that's worn. So no holding a sword and using it as a steelmind, say.

Really?

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But isn't that what Sazed did in the Homeland prison? Well, a lock and the bars of his cell, but the principle's the same. Heck, it's not really different then the Lord Ruler's trick or Sazed using the rings stuck in his stomach, and I seem to remember either Sazed or Tindwyl using a metalmind they had swallowed. The books imply that touching a large enough and pure enough piece of metal is sufficient for Feruchemistry.
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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2009, 12:39:58 PM »
...and Feruchemists (you'll see more of them later) rely on metal that's worn. So no holding a sword and using it as a steelmind, say.

Really?

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But isn't that what Sazed did in the Homeland prison? Well, a lock and the bars of his cell, but the principle's the same. Heck, it's not really different then the Lord Ruler's trick or Sazed using the rings stuck in his stomach, and I seem to remember either Sazed or Tindwyl using a metalmind they had swallowed. The books imply that touching a large enough and pure enough piece of metal is sufficient for Feruchemistry.


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I would say that access to a trick like that - to use metal that's touched rather than worn, is definately a feat-like/advantage-like ability not in the basic Feruchemist package. Sazed is a pretty adept Feruchemist, after all. Stuff in the stomach is just as close or closer to you than the stuff that's worn, so it's the same to me (speaking purely from a game designer's stance).
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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 02:04:17 AM »
I just wanted to add that if you look up escrima here on Earth, you'll see some damn scary "cane" fightin'.

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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 02:41:18 AM »
It's basically like a cane you would use for walking, except made out of hardwood and used to bash people. So, yeah, kinda like a club, but more refined.
That's pretty much it. Canne dueling  had emmerged in France when nobles were not allowed to carry a sword anymore.
Since then it evolved into a codified sport. Of course it could be very different in a fantasy setting but nowadays here's how it looks like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuTeAaSG_i8

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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 03:41:26 AM »
I just wanted to add that if you look up escrima here on Earth, you'll see some damn scary "cane" fightin'.


I thought the same thing at around the second or third time the canes showed up in the novel:  "Oh, it must be like an escrima stick.  Those are wicked." 
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Re: Dueling canes
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2009, 06:19:06 PM »
...and Feruchemists (you'll see more of them later) rely on metal that's worn. So no holding a sword and using it as a steelmind, say.

Really?

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But isn't that what Sazed did in the Homeland prison? Well, a lock and the bars of his cell, but the principle's the same. Heck, it's not really different then the Lord Ruler's trick or Sazed using the rings stuck in his stomach, and I seem to remember either Sazed or Tindwyl using a metalmind they had swallowed. The books imply that touching a large enough and pure enough piece of metal is sufficient for Feruchemistry.


Spoiler: show

I would say that access to a trick like that - to use metal that's touched rather than worn, is definately a feat-like/advantage-like ability not in the basic Feruchemist package. Sazed is a pretty adept Feruchemist, after all. Stuff in the stomach is just as close or closer to you than the stuff that's worn, so it's the same to me (speaking purely from a game designer's stance).


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I'm pretty sure at some point the Lord Ruler outright banned Terrismen from touching any metal at all, for fear they would use it as a metalmind. It was only gotten rid of because it was impractical.