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« Reply #405 on: December 21, 2014, 07:15:53 AM »

The EU considers the UK to be the most violent country within their organization. Gun violence may have gone down but everything else went up: assaults, robberies, rapes, theft, home invasions, burglaries, and so on.

Stats plz.

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They may have strict gun control laws but how many other freedoms do they give up as well.


I don't know; can you tell me?

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As much as I would love to visit Canada and enjoy many Canadian performers doing their job, they are not permitted to publicly criticize their own government anywhere.

>Citation Needed.

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Many of those "socialist" European states also have tremendously high tax rates and more than one of my friends in France has stated they stopped caring about the government because it never listens to them anyway. They have no real means to stand up to them. Why do you think all the austerity marches keep happening? ...

Because of poorly planned retirement costs that didn't anticipate for a falling birthrate among France's higher earners combined with an influx of refugees from the Middle East?

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On a side note, taxation is theft because the government is neither inheriting money from us here in America nor is it trading sweat from its brow in equal transaction for what it takes.

Does not compute. Laws being broken?
Though if you want to feel even angrier about taxes read "Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich--and Cheat Everybody Else" available here at Amazon in paperback.

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Don't even get me started on civil asset forfeiture laws breaking the 5th Amendment.

Yeah, CAF is utterly insanity.
Even in Assbackwardistan and it's neighboring provinces the guards who demand bribes at checkpoints don't pretend they're doing it legally.

I mean, let me be clear: I possess no real conviction in a belief that The System is really all that fair any more. It might have been totally sweet at some point, but it's pretty fucked up now.

That said I also want to be clear about this: history makes the call about the line between Freedom Fighter and Terrorist Dickbag, and them who decide a violent minority revolution is the answer are gambling on very poor odds of being exalted as the former over forgotten as the latter.

So when I see complaints about how the US Government is acting as a rogue power but that can't be substantiated by actual legal arguments or be buttressed by statistics, I see people who aren't getting what they want but who can't convince the rest of the population that they're right, and who cling to delusional beliefs that they represent a genuine military challenge to the World's Last Superpower.

What are the actual, tangible problems that need fixing? Who's lost liberty? Where's the enemy within?

I can sympathize with people who feel disenfranchised or ignored or trapped in a unnameable sense of dread and of things going wrong (*cough10-foldincreaseincampaigndonorcaps*cough*) but the man who picks up the gun to prove that His Might is His Right calls the bluff of two-hundred-million-people who don't agree with him, and who'll suffer for his folly when he's stuck in Gitmo 2.0 or planted in the dirt.
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« Reply #406 on: December 21, 2014, 07:23:22 AM »

Also people hate Austerity and, though I'm too tired to dig up stats, even the financial arguments for it's implementation are weak because you don't make up a tax shortfall by curbing spending.

All those cuts to social programs produce costs -sick people cost more to treat uninsured, hungry people aren't making taxable food purchases, non-maintained infrastructure produces more accidents that cost productivity and lives, uneducated citizens are pretty worse at everything except being stupid, etc etc etc.

Dunno.
Brain's fried, will tilt at the windmills again tomorrow. Will watch those videos, too.

Goodnight all.
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« Reply #407 on: December 21, 2014, 09:38:52 AM »

Also people hate Austerity and, though I'm too tired to dig up stats, even the financial arguments for it's implementation are weak because you don't make up a tax shortfall by curbing spending.
I don't know why, no country claiming pains of austerity actually cut spending.

If you want to less violent crime, gun control is somewhere between worthless and counter productive.  If you have some other goal in mind, gun control may be just the solution you need.  (The example that comes to my mind is NYC's gun control law, the Sullivan Act.  Its primary supporter, City Councilman "Big Jim" Sullivan, was tired of "his boys" getting killed while shaking down shopkeepers.  NYC became one of the first "may issue" jurisdictions and lots of shopkeepers in Little Italy went to prison for defending themselves from thugs working for politicians.)

Looking at Mexico and the troubles there caused by the narcolistas, I'm disinclined to make it more difficult to own longarms.  Plus you have organizations like the NYPD acting as thugs for City Hall.  Eric Garner was killed for selling loosies [loose cigarettes, not the whole pack].  Think about that for a second.  How is the NYC government different from a mob boss in this case?  <Stereotypical mobster accent>Give da mayor his cut, or you get it like dat Garner guy.</accent>
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« Reply #408 on: December 21, 2014, 10:13:58 AM »

Looking at Mexico and the troubles there caused by the narcolistas, I'm disinclined to make it more difficult to own longarms.  Plus you have organizations like the NYPD acting as thugs for City Hall.  Eric Garner was killed for selling loosies [loose cigarettes, not the whole pack].  Think about that for a second.  How is the NYC government different from a mob boss in this case?  <Stereotypical mobster accent>Give da mayor his cut, or you get it like dat Garner guy.</accent>

  Wow. You actually managed to raise my already high level of horror. I had overlooked the possibility of profit motive in that encounter.

  I still generally tend towards the belief the gun control in this country suffers from being wishy-washy. We could benefit from greatly more or greatly less. That said, I tend to find the notion that it'll provide some safeguard against our own nation gone tyrannical entirely absurd at this point. In my opinion that battle already largely took place and was lost quite some time ago. It major battles not fought with fire arms but with the removal of restrictions in news casting like equal time. We're oh so glib about 'seizing the hearts and minds' of our enemies and yet ignore the potential for these tactics to be deployed at home...
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« Reply #409 on: December 21, 2014, 10:22:23 AM »

On a side note, taxation is theft because the government is neither inheriting money from us here in America nor is it trading sweat from its brow in equal transaction for what it takes.

  Out of curiosity, does that make it theft to drive on paved streets, to browse libraries without a fee, to have your children educated without paying each morning you drop them off, to sleep well at night knowing there are street lights and police about to discourage those that might take your belongings?

  The native state of the world is not civilized society. There is so much we take for granted as our birthright, but those things do not spontaneously manifest upon the landscape. Nor will they persist in the absence of continued investment.

  We might not like the portfolio managers at any given moment, but lets not belittle the fact that the environment in which you make that income only exists because a portion of those earnings are spent to create it.
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