Quick Question: Attribute Increases to Int Retroactive?

[LordKruelos]

So if you increase an attribute (the most notable candidates are Int and Con) does that retroactively increase dependent stats (e.g. Skill Points and Vitality Points).

I feel like I should know this, but I don't off the top of my head.

[spinningdice]

iirc then CON is but INT isn't.  This is mostly so you don't have to mess about working where each levels skill points come from.

Personal House Rule I've been toying with...
Int skill points consider all skills class skills, and you do get retrospective skill points.

[Krensky]

See page 17 of SP, under "Changing Attribute Scores". All attribute changes are retroactive with the exception of skill points and focuses.

[LordKruelos]

The resident Min-Maxer in my new group (yay) just asked, phrasing it as such:

"Reason: Con gives retroactive HP increase, and its always annoyed me that int is gimped for increases.
IT makes it basically not worth increasing int unless you're something like a wizard.
A thief, in DnD, won't. Due to that."

[Crafty_Alex]

In Mastercraft, Int will also be retroactive. By reducing exceptions built into the system, we find the game is much easier to play. Classes and feats are the best path for exceptions to the rules, we find

[Morgenstern]

We're moving to Int increasing being retroactive as it makes checking a character's bonuses ("deconstructing the sheet") easier. We'll probably see how that works out in play with Master Craft before making a decision about 2.0.

[meadicus]

The case that can get really awkward is with attribute boosting gadgets. A Con boost can be very quickly calculated retroactively, it an int boost item also gave the person a load of skill points it would get very confusing.

[Krensky]

Personally, I welcome this change.

[LordKruelos]

Question from the same player... "With starting a company (I've got the Science! for it, damnit), do I need to have the wealth up front, or can I borrow?

Now, I know it says that "A character never gains money from a Debt Subplot. All money owed is automatically spent or committed when the Subplot is acquired, for reasons jointly defined by the player and the GC."

However, I see this as an opportunity. A wonderfully horrible opportunity.  In exchange for having the startup money
I can easily make him play out/work into the game his finding/negotiating with very untrustworthy/shady/potentially violent people to obtain money to try to start a business that makes explosives... during a Prohibition-era game...with definite plans to break into my Fragile Minds supplement...

Thoughts?

[MugMug]

In Mastercraft, Int will also be retroactive. By reducing exceptions built into the system, we find the game is much easier to play. Classes and feats are the best path for exceptions to the rules, we find

Will you be implementing all of my house-rules, or was this the exception? I can send a list.

Walter

[MugMug]

However, I see this as an opportunity. A wonderfully horrible opportunity.

Then it is your right... nay, your obligation... to pursue this.

Walter

[LordKruelos]

Did I mention he's playing a Dwarf Scientist trying to hide among humans... with the Hammer Basics feat (from Prospector)... I allowed him to swap the Racial Favored Class bit for an equivalent cost Reviled...

Gah, it's going to derail swiftly into a SteamPunk game, I can just feel it...

[Krensky]

Question from the same player... "With starting a company (I've got the Science! for it, damnit), do I need to have the wealth up front, or can I borrow?

Now, I know it says that "A character never gains money from a Debt Subplot. All money owed is automatically spent or committed when the Subplot is acquired, for reasons jointly defined by the player and the GC."

However, I see this as an opportunity. A wonderfully horrible opportunity.  In exchange for having the startup money
I can easily make him play out/work into the game his finding/negotiating with very untrustworthy/shady/potentially violent people to obtain money to try to start a business that makes explosives... during a Prohibition-era game...with definite plans to break into my Fragile Minds supplement...

Thoughts?

Well, the money isn't his, it's the company's, so it is spent/committed. Plus, since in the balance he won't be profiting financially or as a character from the transaction, I'd say it's kosher. Ideally, the loan should seem perfectly legit. It's not until later he discovers the note or marker (legit here should be read as "legit") is held by or was purchased by the mob (or whatever).

[Jake]

Personal House Rule I've been toying with...
Int skill points consider all skills class skills,

I like this, I'd go one better and make it all skill points beyond those gained by the players class (Brainy and Veteran Origins).

[Crafty_Pat]

In Mastercraft, Int will also be retroactive. By reducing exceptions built into the system, we find the game is much easier to play. Classes and feats are the best path for exceptions to the rules, we find

Will you be implementing all of my house-rules, or was this the exception? I can send a list.

Please... go right ahead!