Classic Races Questions?

[Medwyn]

YES!

I have the lovely pdf!

but.....

Dwarfs seem a bit confused, under the description it states:
• +4 to lowest of Dexterity or Charisma, –2 Wisdom
but in the table it says:
+4 Con, –2 Dex

Which is correct? (The Table?)

Also I thought that the Dwarves would of had Thermal Vision or such to reflect the seeing in total darkness thing...

I'm only a few pages in but all looks good

[Medwyn]

In the Print version it appears to be +4 Con -2 Dex so I'd take it that is the correct one

[Morgenstern]

That is positively bizzare. I'd guess a cut and paste error (as Satyrs have that modifier).

It's +4 Con, -2 Dex.

Some of them see in perfect darkness, but most of them use light sources .

[Crafty_Pat]

Not sure how that happened, but I'll chalk it up for a future update/errata.

[Golden Dragon]

For the feat "Make me a Stone", it reads "...a number of times per session equal to your action dice." That struck me as a little screwy, and want to confirm that it should read "...starting action dice."

[Toccata]

Also, Table 7: Feats by Species mistakenly lists Advocate and Intruder as the initial Favored Classes for dwarves.

And the Elven Archer/Scout Character seed states that Hart Nation adds Pointman as a favored class instead of Captain.

[Agent 333]

Is there any particular reason Vanguard requires a Nonhuman talent? Seems fairly generic to me...

[Morgenstern]

Is there any particular reason Vanguard requires a Nonhuman talent? Seems fairly generic to me...

Read the entire Specialty again and speculate .

[Agent 333]

Would you believe I read it through two or three times and still missed the last chunk of the third bullet?

Still, I can imagine someone being a Vanguard for Brainy people everywhere...

[Number Three]

Is there any particular reason Vanguard requires a Nonhuman talent? Seems fairly generic to me...

Read the entire Specialty again and speculate .

It's nifty, but I've been looking at the non-human talents and the specialties they play off of the Allegiance talents, and they are interchangeable in my mind.  Dwarven Champions and Pitfall Vanguards are all good in my book. 

[Number Three]

I've got two questions.

1) How do the "*** Blood" feats interact with the Level 1 Only 'subspecies' feats that grant additional favored classes?  Does the half-blooded character ignore those additions, or does he suddenly have a favored class he has to build around?

2) I don't understand the point of second tier subspecies feats giving out favored classes.  Are you trying to discourage those races picking up certain core abilities?

[Toccata]

On number 1, I'd say in the case of a race that doesn't have favored classes as having every class as a favored class, and thus it's just a redundant benefit.
In the case of a race that does have favored classes, I'd let them pick up the new one through the feat still.

[Morgenstern]

Is there any particular reason Vanguard requires a Nonhuman talent? Seems fairly generic to me...

It's nifty, but I've been looking at the non-human talents and the specialties they play off of the Allegiance talents, and they are interchangeable in my mind.  Dwarven Champions and Pitfall Vanguards are all good in my book. 

An earlier incarnation of Vanguard did key to species or allegiance. However, this book does not have allegiance rules in it, so I seperated that concept out for use in a proposed "Honor Guard" specialty to appear in a product that does include an explination of allegiances.

Race qualifying as an allegiance is rather a broad proposition, and one that would logically extend to making being a human count also, which sort of negates the point. Plus the alligiance-linked specialties like champion actually draw from a slightly different pool of benefits that can cause mismatch/failures if opened up to any talent pairing.

[Number Three]

Race qualifying as an allegiance is rather a broad proposition, and one that would logically extend to making being a human count also, which sort of negates the point.

Yeah, that's the bit my brain keeps tripping over.  While elves, dwarves, et. all*  have been shown as a homogeneous culture that could have represntative heroes, our experience with real humans lends these roles to the culture and not the race.

Plus the allegiance-linked specialties like champion actually draw from a slightly different pool of benefits that can cause mismatch/failures if opened up to any talent pairing.

A-ha.  So they are not necessarily built with the same interchangeable parts.  I'll keep that in mind.

*No, I'm not sure if I did that in proper english. 

[Aragathor]

I have a problem with the prereq's for the "Nation" Feats.
Scorpion Nation - the feat description does not even mention whips (The Noble version does), so why a prerequisite for a Blunt (exotic) proficiency and forte?
Spider Nation - the same but with Exotic (Hurled), and it's even worse because the Noble version does not mention anything.
Wolf Nation - the same but with Edged prof and forte.
Surprisingly Northern Horde is another victim of a prerequisite that makes no technical sense.

Why are those feats tied to weapon proficiencies when it makes no sense in most cases?