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 41 
 on: August 29, 2014, 03:54:52 PM 
Started by Mutt - Last post by Mutt
Edited!

Now, to look for fitting art and hope that this can be made into a PDF format.

I'm really liking what you've done, by the way; seriously, impressive stuff you've got TKDB.


EDIT: Found some art! Hopefully it would look good in black-and-white...

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 42 
 on: August 29, 2014, 03:42:05 PM 
Started by Mutt - Last post by TKDB
Well, don't give me too much credit -- it only looks as good as it does because I had a nice basis to work off of and refine  Wink

Looking over it, I realize I made a bit of a mixup in my proposed revision -- I got a bit turned around in shuffling things about and ended up failing to revise Scrollmaster II after putting the "scribe scrolls you don't know" options in Scribal Visionary. That ability needs a different additional benefit to go with the CL increase on your scroll casting. Not really sure what to do with it, though...any ideas?

EDIT: Actually, I think I was planning to make it give Scribing Mastery, in parallel to how Force of Nature gives Rage Basics/Mastery and a raised skill cap on Athletics in the same slots. That would do it.

 43 
 on: August 29, 2014, 03:24:28 PM 
Started by Mutt - Last post by Mutt
Wow... that is a LOT better than what I came up with. Granted, I came up with it in the wee hours of the morning, but still. This is a lot better-looking and feeling than the original! I agree that it should be more like the Alchemist, granting spells to a previously 'mundane' character.

Changes have been made!

 44 
 on: August 29, 2014, 12:58:03 PM 
Started by Mutt - Last post by TKDB
Pretty neat idea, though I do have a number of critiques...

Firstly: It's "poring over", not "pouring over"  Wink


More importantly, Critique #2: I really feel like this should be like the Alchemist: a casting class that does not require any preexisting casting capabilities to enter. There's an obvious parallel in style between scrolls and elixirs (both being items that give you a one-shot spell effect), and Scroll Casting is really geared more for use by noncasters (or at the very least characters with less focus on casting, lacking a full 1:1 casting level and with a greater Crafting bonus than Spellcasting). Requiring that only casters can enter the class significantly diminishes the utility of the Scroll Casting feat that's required for entry to begin with.

Of course, this would be tricky to pull off alongside giving the Scribing B/M/S feats. For one, fitting the whole chain in along with the requisite casting ability at level 1 would be tricky. For another, going by the Alchemist, the spellcasting ability granted should probably be limited to a single school, which in turn would limit your ability to scribe scrolls. However, there are ways to work around this.


Critique III: Ink-Saver is pretty meh. The weight reduction on the first grade is too fiddly to really worry about, and the second grade is nonfunctional as-written (Crafting checks don't have DCs; they have a Complexity that determines if you can even try, and then a scaling output based on your check result). And it'd be fairly pointless to reduce the Complexity at that level, since at that point you should be able to make 5th level and lower scrolls just by having max ranks in Crafting and a decent (+3) Int score. And even 6th and 7th level scrolls are in reach by then if you've invested a bit more in getting your Crafting bonus up (Enlightened Crafting, Skill Mastery feats, a higher Int, relevant Studies, etc.). The only reasonably interesting thing across both grades of Ink-Saver is the one-handed scroll use.


Critique D: Words of Command has some sloppy wording. But I'll come back to this in a little bit, because:

Critique the Fifth: Tattoo Scripture is pretty neat, but it seems a bit odd to be an immutable part of the class. Tattooing isn't necessarily something that will always fit with every concept.
My proposal would be to take Words of Command and Tattoo Scripture and adapt them into some of the options in a a list-of-choices ability you can select from at level 4, 6, and 8 (combining the E, F, and G slots), a la the Deadeye's Sniper ability.


Final Critique: The gamebreaker feels a little off to me. It certainly has the potential to be quite potent -- you can have at-will casting of a 7th-level spell, which is definitely pretty nuts -- but that potency comes at a cost of most of your spell points. Essentially, the gamebreaker pushes you to pick one really potent spell to spam all scene, which is a bit out of whack for the general feel I have of the class. The class overall suggests more of a clever, collected, planning-ahead type, more of a "library of options for all occasions" generalist rather than a "hammer away with one thing over and over" specialist. The gamebreaker is definitely most effectively used for the latter purpose, though.
Perhaps something more like simply letting you cast a scroll without using it up X times per scene/session/adventure would be more fitting?


Here would be my proposed revamp of the class:

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Requirements: Sorcery campaign quality, Scroll Casting feat, Crafting 6+ ranks, Int 13+
<Other class features & core ability same as yours>

Way of the Pen: At Level 1, you may purchase ranks in the Spellcasting skill, learn Artifice, Seals, and Word spells, and cast Level 0 spells you know. Also, when you fail a Spellcasting check to cast a spell of these Disciplines, no spell points are spent on the attempt.
If you already possess this ability from another class, you instead gain an additional Spellcasting feat.

Scrollmaster I: At Level 2, you gain the Scribing Basics feat, and your Caster Level when casting from a scroll is equal to your Career Level -1.

Scrollmaster II: At Level 7, your Caster Level when casting from a scroll is equal to your Career Level, and you may scribe spells you don't know even without a reference. The Complexity of a scroll you create of a spell you neither know nor have access to is increased by 5, and the error range for checks to cast such scrolls increases by 2.

Circle of Power: At Levels 3, 5, 7, and 9, the maximum level of spells you may cast increases by 1 (e.g. from Level 0 spells you know to Level 1 or lower spells you know), to a maximum of Level 9.

Bonus Feat: At levels 4 and 8, you gain an additional Gear or Spellcasting feat.

Scribal Visionary: At levels 4, 6, and 8, you may choose one of the following abilities. Each may be chosen only once.
  • Arcane Experiment: When you scribe a scroll, you’re no longer limited to spells you know. You may scribe any spell that you have
    access to at the time of scribing (eg, by referencing a spell book, verbally from another mage, etc.).
  • Arcane Intuition: When you scribe a scroll, you can scribe spells that you don't even have access to. You can scribe scrolls that you neither know nor have access to by increasing the Complexity of the scroll by 5. The error range on checks to cast from scrolls made this way increases by 2. You may only choose this ability if you may scribe scrolls of spells you don't know.
  • Bookmarked Grimoire: You may use a scroll as a Mage's Pouch for casting the spell contained in that scroll, and as long as you have one scroll readied, you are considered to have all scrolls on your person readied.
  • Improvised Scribe: You're always considered to have a Scribe's Kit for making Crafting checks.
  • Light Reading: Scrolls are considered only one-handed items for you, and the time needed to read a scroll is no longer limited to a minimum of 1 full action.
  • Scroll Tutor: As long as they can see and hear you, your teammates may substitute their Crafting skill bonus in place of Spellcasting when casting from a scroll you have scribed.
  • Tattoo Inscription: You may make magical tattoos in a way similar to scribing a scroll, except that it is bound to your own skin rather than paper. The Complexity is increased by 5; in exchange, a 'scroll' scribed this way cannot be stolen or removed from you until you cast it and requires no hand to use. A tattoo fades as soon as the spell is cast. You may have a number of scrolls tattooed onto your flesh at a time equal to your Constitution modifier.

Echoing Tomecasting: At level 10, you may cast a scroll without consuming it a number of times per session equal to your starting action dice.

 45 
 on: August 29, 2014, 10:01:09 AM 
Started by Jaracove - Last post by TKDB
What sort of check would it be if you wanted to snatch an item off of an opponent's person (not out of their hands, but something like grabbing the hat off their head or a loosely-secured pouch off their belt)? A standard Disarm action seems like the obvious route, but the defender using an attack roll seems a bit out of place. Maybe Prestidigitation vs Notice, like you'd do for someone trying to pick pockets in a crowd? Or perhaps Prestidigitation vs Acrobatics, since the attempt would be obvious in a combat scenario?

 46 
 on: August 29, 2014, 04:39:04 AM 
Started by Wolverine - Last post by Mister Andersen
Celebrated actor Bill Kerr has died at his home in Perth aged 92.

 47 
 on: August 29, 2014, 03:52:12 AM 
Started by Mutt - Last post by Mutt
Alright, all the changes have been made as of today.

I must admit, it would be a lot easier to see if I'm missing anything if I could see this all as a table, or a PDF. Besides that, though, I think I did a pretty good job for a Base Class, all things considered!

 48 
 on: August 29, 2014, 03:50:41 AM 
Started by Mutt - Last post by Mutt
This class came about after looking at the Scroll Casting feat and thinking two things:
1.) "Wow, this feat is really interesting!"
2.) "Jeez, I can't really think of a good concept for someone with this feat..."

With that, please review as much as you all possibly can! (Thanks to TKDB for a lot of the re-working; this is now as much his class as it is mine  Grin )

MYSTIC SCHOLAR (EXPERT)
Learned men and woman who see the magic of words, the Mystic Scholar encapsulates the classic stereotype of the wizard deeply studying his books and writings, for within them contain the answers to life and the universe. While somewhat similar to the Rune Knight in their knowledge of arcane script, the Rune Knight is a frontline fighter while the Mystic Scholar is much more happy to be in the back rows... or back at home, in his library!

Depending on your campaign, a Mystic Scholar could be...
•   A desperate astronomer poring over his work in order to prevent (or cause) an eclipse
•   A neophyte student, barely able to contain his learning as he reads them aloud for study
•   A librarian who makes sure that silence is kept within his domain... or else
•   A medicine-man who lords over his tribe with his ability to read the words of the gods
•   A fanatic of the occult and strange, never seen without his trusty quill or journal

Party Role: Wildcard/Specialist. You utilize every scroll, tome, and scrap of paper that you can find in order to master the power contained in the written word, as well as create new uses for them.

CLASS FEATURES
Requirements: Sorcery campaign quality, Scroll Casting feat, Crafting 6+ ranks, Intelligence 13
Favored Attributes: Intelligence, Constitution
Caster: Each level in this class increases your Casting Level by 1.
Class Skills: Crafting, Haggle, Impress, Investigate, Medicine, Notice, Resolve, Search, Sense Motive, Tactics
Skill Points: 6 + Int mod per Level
Vitality: 9 + Con mod per Level

BAB: (Low)
Fort: (Low)
Ref: (Low)
Will: (High)
Def: (Med)
Init: (Med)
Lifestyle: (High)
Legend: (Med)
SP: (Med)

CORE ABILITY
Wordsmith: You learn an additional 2 languages. Also, at Level 1 and for each Class Level thereafter, you gain 1 additional skill point that must be spent on Crafting or Spellcasting.

CLASS ABILITIES

Way of the Pen: At Level 1, you may purchase ranks in the Spellcasting skill, learn Artifice, Seals, and Word spells, and cast Level 0 spells you know. Also, when you fail a Spellcasting check to cast a spell of these Disciplines, no spell points are spent on the attempt.
If you already possess this ability from another class, you instead gain an additional Spellcasting feat.

Scrollmaster I: At Level 2, you gain the Scribing Basics feat, and your Caster Level when casting from a scroll is equal to your Career Level minus 1.

Scrollmaster II: At Level 7, you gain the Scribing Mastery feat, and your Caster Level when casting from a scroll is equal to your Career Level.

Circle of Power: At Levels 3, 5, 7, and 9, the maximum level of spells you may cast increases by 1 (e.g. from Level 0 spells you know to Level 1 or lower spells you know), to a maximum of Level 9.

Bonus Feat: At levels 4 and 8, you gain an additional Gear or Spellcasting feat.

Scribal Visionary: At levels 4, 6, and 8, you may choose one of the following abilities. Each may be chosen only once.
  • Arcane Experiment: When you scribe a scroll, you’re no longer limited to spells you know. You may scribe any spell that you have access to at the time of scribing (eg, by referencing a spell book, verbally from another mage, etc.).
  • Arcane Intuition: When you scribe a scroll, you can scribe spells that you don't even have access to. You can scribe scrolls that you neither know nor have access to by increasing the Complexity of the scroll by 5. The error range on checks to cast from scrolls made this way increases by 2. You may only choose this ability if you may scribe scrolls of spells you don't know.
  • Bookmarked Grimoire: You may use a scroll as a Mage's Pouch for casting the spell contained in that scroll, and as long as you have one scroll readied, you are considered to have all scrolls on your person readied.
  • Improvised Scribe: You're always considered to have a Scribe's Kit for making Crafting checks.
  • Light Reading: Scrolls are considered only one-handed items for you, and the time needed to read a scroll is no longer limited to a minimum of 1 full action.
  • Scroll Tutor: As long as they can see and hear you, your teammates may substitute their Crafting skill bonus in place of Spellcasting when casting from a scroll you have scribed.
  • Tattoo Inscription: You may make magical tattoos in a way similar to scribing a scroll, except that it is bound to your own skin rather than paper. The Complexity is increased by 5; in exchange, a 'scroll' scribed this way cannot be stolen or removed from you until you cast it and requires no hand to use. A tattoo fades as soon as the spell is cast. You may have a number of scrolls tattooed onto your flesh at a time equal to your Constitution modifier.

Echoing Tomecasting: At level 10, you may cast a scroll without consuming it a number of times per session equal to your starting action dice.


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 49 
 on: August 28, 2014, 11:58:42 PM 
Started by Mutt - Last post by Gatac
It probably should, yes. Smiley

 50 
 on: August 28, 2014, 07:53:59 PM 
Started by Mister Andersen - Last post by ludomastro

This looks awful.  In about every dimension I can think of for the word "look."

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