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 31 
 on: December 19, 2014, 01:55:13 PM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by Morgenstern
You can't obliterate North Korea.  Its a solution that would almost never be on the table save very few possible instances.

  I'd have said the same thing about the United States overrunning and occupying Afghanistan, directly on the Russian border and a hotly contested region between the two superpowers for decades. And yet here we are. The whole world averted their eyes because the Americans were PISSED.

  I have little doubt China would let that pimple of a nation go if it looked like the Americans were in their bloodrage again.

 32 
 on: December 19, 2014, 01:49:51 PM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by Morgenstern
Which, of course, is why we carpet bombed England in 2006.

I hold dubbaya is seething contempt and I still would have been outraged if I'd heard about it at the time.

Not cool is not cool.

 33 
 on: December 19, 2014, 01:48:37 PM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by TheTSKoala
  Part of me wonders if somebody, somewhere involved with "The Interview" isn't seeing this play out almost exactly as planned. Grotesque provocation disguised as art. The almost inevitable response. We only need a little more escalation, something a little more direct and on US soil, and then we get another free pass to obliterate another nation. You have to think that's an outcome that would agree with the minds behind "The Interview".

You can't obliterate North Korea.  Its a solution that would almost never be on the table save very few possible instances.

 34 
 on: December 19, 2014, 01:47:31 PM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by Morgenstern
No one wants to hear the "risks" of cyber security, because it's expensive and filled with IFs.. but man... those IFs are more powerful than briefcase bombs.

  Honestly, most people don't even have the fear that would help them understand its a poor position to remain in. That's the benefit as I see it - we do stupid reactionary stuff when we're afraid, but at least there's an awareness. Maybe Sony taking a 100 million dollar kick in the teeth is enough to put that fear into people who can act on it. The fact remains if you think someone can remotely fry your power grid... you've done something very wrong. It's fun to push off costs to the next generation and all, but those costs still exist and your options are either to pay them OR avoid being such a rampaging douche that people think its worth their time to figure out how to stick it to you through all the exploits you couldn't be bothered to close. We all marveled at stuxnet here. Not nearly so awesome when you realize math is not a uniquely American skill set.

  I still have no idea how the movie got the backing that it did. People go to jail for death threats. People go to jail for treason for making death threats to (their) heads of state. The pull required to get conservative studio heads to back it... well, I can't say I'll miss the heads that roll at Sony over this one.

 35 
 on: December 19, 2014, 01:44:28 PM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by Krensky
 Wow. I am so far off the mainstream on this one it loops all the way around from being funny, to unfunny, and back to funny again.

  You made a movie about an assassination attempt on a real world sitting head of state and thought SHIT WOULDN'T COME RAINING DOWN? What is fucking wrong with people? That's not comedy, it flagrant militant propaganda and it deserves to be met with just shy of act-of-war retaliation. That's the plot from some sort of WWII "kill a nip today" reels.

  Sure: North Korea is a goddam barbarous hovel, thought evidently a hovel with a downright competent cyberwar division... Learning about which is a huge upside to this little clash. BUT. Re-envision it as an assassination plot against Putin. Think the Ruskies would have a big ol' belly laugh? No? Huh, why not? Maybe England? Hell, I doubt Sweden could manage to look relaxed with something like that directed at them on a global scale. But nah, it's North Korea. They won't mind... W.T.F?

  "This film is fictitious and any resemblance to real personages is strictly coincidental" goes on most movies for a reason. The creators picked a fight and now are looking baffled the other guy didn't just bend over and take it up the ass. Real politik bitches: you can die from stupid like that. It might actualy benefit the species if you did die from that. I'd rather people didn't think throwing gasoline on an open blaze was cause for yuks. I'd be perfectly unsurprised if it was South Korea that took a digital pick axe to the west's unbelievable ignorance on this one. They actually have to live with their neighbor and have been more than a little fed up as the proxy for USA/China grudge matches.


Which, of course, is why we carpet bombed England in 2006.

 36 
 on: December 19, 2014, 01:32:27 PM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by Morgenstern
  Part of me wonders if somebody, somewhere involved with "The Interview" isn't seeing this play out almost exactly as planned. Grotesque provocation disguised as art. The almost inevitable response. We only need a little more escalation, something a little more direct and on US soil, and then we get another free pass to obliterate another nation. You have to think that's an outcome that would agree with the minds behind "The Interview".

 37 
 on: December 19, 2014, 01:09:05 PM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by TheTSKoala
You think that's bad, wait til they start shutting off your power for a few days.

  This country could only benefit from some live demonstrations of how vulnerable our infrastructure is that aren't simultaneously accompanied by a shooting war. I'd take 48-72 hours of inconvenience in exchange for national awareness that we are fuck-all terrible at guarding our infrastructure in a heartbeat.

The problem is the impact of those 72 hours.  The damage infrastructure attacks do, economically, can be staggering.  How many of us could afford to lose 1-3 weeks of hourly wage and still pay our bills?  Upper middle+ folks?  Probably.  But it's going to cut down on our fringe buying.  Lower middle and the impoverished?  Tell them to throw away what food they do have and rebuy it, while at the same time have zero income coming in?  Anyone working paycheck to paycheck, you're going to cripple those people for YEARS and in doing so, we further drive the wedge closer to lords and serfs. 

No one wants to hear the "risks" of cyber security, because it's expensive and filled with IFs.. but man... those IFs are more powerful than briefcase bombs.

 38 
 on: December 19, 2014, 12:43:54 PM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by Morgenstern
You think that's bad, wait til they start shutting off your power for a few days.

  This country could only benefit from some live demonstrations of how vulnerable our infrastructure is that aren't simultaneously accompanied by a shooting war. I'd take 48-72 hours of inconvenience in exchange for national awareness that we are fuck-all terrible at guarding our infrastructure in a heartbeat.

 39 
 on: December 19, 2014, 12:39:10 PM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by Morgenstern
  Wow. I am so far off the mainstream on this one it loops all the way around from being funny, to unfunny, and back to funny again.

  You made a movie about an assassination attempt on a real world sitting head of state and thought SHIT WOULDN'T COME RAINING DOWN? What is fucking wrong with people? That's not comedy, it flagrant militant propaganda and it deserves to be met with just shy of act-of-war retaliation. That's the plot from some sort of WWII "kill a nip today" reels.

  Sure: North Korea is a goddam barbarous hovel, thought evidently a hovel with a downright competent cyberwar division... Learning about which is a huge upside to this little clash. BUT. Re-envision it as an assassination plot against Putin. Think the Ruskies would have a big ol' belly laugh? No? Huh, why not? Maybe England? Hell, I doubt Sweden could manage to look relaxed with something like that directed at them on a global scale. But nah, it's North Korea. They won't mind... W.T.F?

  "This film is fictitious and any resemblance to real personages is strictly coincidental" goes on most movies for a reason. The creators picked a fight and now are looking baffled the other guy didn't just bend over and take it up the ass. Real politik bitches: you can die from stupid like that. It might actualy benefit the species if you did die from that. I'd rather people didn't think throwing gasoline on an open blaze was cause for yuks. I'd be perfectly unsurprised if it was South Korea that took a digital pick axe to the west's unbelievable ignorance on this one. They actually have to live with their neighbor and have been more than a little fed up as the proxy for USA/China grudge matches.

 40 
 on: December 19, 2014, 11:56:16 AM 
Started by Valentina - Last post by TheTSKoala
No comments on the whole Sony/The Interview Debacle? Because it really seems huge to me... Chuck Wendig has posted an interesting entry on his blog about it...

Art held Hostage

You think that's bad, wait til they start shutting off your power for a few days.

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