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7906  Products / Fantasy Craft / Re: How Trigger and Battle Cat Got That Way on: March 20, 2009, 03:27:56 AM
Quote from: gaghiel42
You're probably afraid of iPods too huh? 

Only of how virally pervasive they've become despite their shortcomings (seriously, something that expensive should be something that gives me the option to replace the battery)
7907  Products / Fantasy Craft / Re: Unique Magic Items on: March 20, 2009, 03:25:41 AM
Quote from: Alex
This is something I never understood as "core" to fantasy - why would you want a sword to potentially be a character that could turn on or disobey you? Genuinely curious Smiley

Rogue Trooper

The Bowler



7908  Products / Fantasy Craft / Re: How Trigger and Battle Cat Got That Way on: March 19, 2009, 04:13:01 PM
You had to fight down the urge to tell them to get off your lawn, didn't you, Pat Roll Eyes?

He wasn't the only one. Damn whippersnappers.
7909  Products / Fantasy Craft / Re: Unique Magic Items on: March 19, 2009, 04:12:04 PM
What about sentient or even sapient artifacts?
7910  Products / Fantasy Craft / Re: Dungeon Resources on: March 18, 2009, 06:20:47 PM
One thing to consider: do you have the space to store the finished product.
7911  Community / Off-Topic / Re: Magical Girls vs. He-Man on: March 18, 2009, 03:26:15 AM
That's what you get for not investing in your Stress threshold.
7912  Products / Spycraft 2.0 / Re: Neat place for a scene (all pics are links). on: March 18, 2009, 03:23:46 AM
Abandoned mine in Urals, Russia

Somewhere around a place called São Pedro do Sul, Portugal
7913  Community / Off-Topic / Re: Fat Dragon Games Scores Call of Cthulhu License on: March 17, 2009, 10:35:58 PM
7914  Community / Off-Topic / Magical Girls vs. He-Man on: March 17, 2009, 02:52:30 AM
Let me put it this way:

The Japanese reinvented the wheel and have fooled most folk into thinking they were the first to come up with the idea.
7915  Products / Spycraft 2.0 / Re: Neat place for a scene (all pics are links). on: March 16, 2009, 11:34:20 PM
Abandoned golf course, Dix Hills, New York

Baker Commodities INC, Albuquerque NM

Montreal Malt Plant

Bara Castle
7916  Community / Off-Topic / Magical Girls vs. He-Man on: March 16, 2009, 10:17:13 PM
No, neither of them fit the tropes of magical girls or boys.

Adam/He-Man isn't bishounen,

While I might be inclined to agree for original recipe MotU is somewhat on the butch side, the MYP reboot specifically bished up Adam & He-Man as part of the character design brief in an attempt to appeal to that part of the market share. It was one of the criticisms directed at it because the other characters were noticeably more traditionally western in their appearance.

I will however point out that Captain Marvel's appearance was based on the traditional notions of masculine beauty from his originating culture, while Adam's are inspired by the form of the man who won the Mr Universe contest.

the magical part of the magical girl dates to the sixties from Bewitched and similar material, and the transformation is from Cutie Honey in 1973, which is explicitly inspired by a series of Japanese detective films from the early 1940s about a detective who can change his appearances into seven different forms which was inspired by pulps and traditional folklore. His powers are defined, unlike a magical girl's, the plots of the episodes have nothing to do with Adam growing up. The show is also aimed at boys and selling toys, which is a double mark against him having anything to do with the magical girl tropes. Although with the rise of moe and other things a modern show is set to hit both demographics, a magical girl/boy show from the 1980s was most definitely a girls demographic.

You're talking stuff that is essentially window dressing, and ignoring that while the form most people are familiar with might have been refined in Japan, it was effectively invented here in the west, in America, years before -- the country specifically mentioned as creating one of the primary inspiration sources.

It's like arguing that 10 Things I hate About You isn't essentially just The Taming of the Shrew because people aren't speaking in iambic pentameter

Nor are MG stories specificially about growing up -- and here it can be argued that the Aesops delivered at the end of each episode do effectively address such developmental concerns, including on occasion Adam or his friends learning to behave in a more mature and less hot headed fashion -- but rather the wish fulfilment of being grown up and gaining the agency to address and counter concerns and issues that cannot be dealt with by a child.

Magical girls are descended from Samantha on Bewitched. Transforming magical girls are descended from Cutie Honey who is descend from the earlier magical girls of the 1960s and the Bannai Tarao films of the 1940s.

Which is all well and good, but is ultimately meaningless when they post date the protoform of the trope/genreas represented by the Captain which comes from the end of the 1930s.

He-Man certain has ties to Marvel, which ultimately means he's based on Superman (and considering Adam's mom is and alien and that's part of why he's stronger, faster, etc) since Marvel is a knock off of Superman.

I've always found that idea to be somewhat falacious. Sure they're superstrong guys who can fly, but that's where the resemblance ends. Superman's powers come entirely from within himself and are always active , where as Marvel's and Adam's come from an external sponsor that physically alters them
7917  Community / License to Improvise / Re: New Guns on: March 16, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
7918  Community / Off-Topic / Magical Girls vs. He-Man on: March 16, 2009, 07:03:49 PM
Prince Adam is He-Man with lighter hair and skin and clothes.

That's only because Filmation and Mattel were cheap bastards and massively reused character models / footage and production molds respectively. The Mike Young remake at least took the effort to make He-Man sufficiently physically different that the connection between him and Adam was no longer less obvious than that between Clark and Superman.

Adam/He-Man does fit the trope, being one of the relatively few male examples of it (and if you accept the Mary Marvel is the ur-MG, then Marvel himself has to be the real trope starter even if it was in Japan that the idea really took flight). Adam is hot for Teela but she (and pretty much everyone else who isn't wearing a 70s porn 'tache) thinks he's really a massive disappointment who should be more like He-Man, whom she's hot for. Becoming Eternia's sole magic boy has doomed him to a life of reprobation, cock-blocking and constant deceit -- and which when you think about it has to get even worse once Adora stumbles onto the scene waging her rebellion after close to 2 decades as a brainwashed slave of evil. She's on another world kicking arse and here Adam is goofing around the castle all day and wimping out at the first sign of trouble.

Even Batman gets to be admired as Bruce Wayne every so often what with all his charitable donations and corporate civic initiatives and hot wimmins.

He also has the awesome transformation sequence (Shazam!), the talking magical animal companion (Tawky Tawny), etc etc.
7919  Community / Off-Topic / Magical Girls vs. He-Man on: March 16, 2009, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: Krensky
Quote from: Morgenstern
He-man is the absoutely archetypical "magical girl" of anime.

Actually, that would be Cutie Honey (1973) if you require transformation, or Mahōtsukai Sally (1966) if you don't. Mahōtsukai Sally wasn't the first magical girl show in Japan, though, that would be Bewitched. Both were predated by Himitsu no Akko-chan, which was first published as in Ribbon in 1962.

He-Man really doesn't fit any of the tropes of the Magical girl or boy. In the TV show he's pretty much Superman with a sword, and in the original mini-comics he's a post apocalyptic Conan knock off.

7920  Products / Spycraft 2.0 / Re: Neat place for a scene (all pics are links). on: March 16, 2009, 04:53:21 AM
Abandoned medium high-rise building in Moscow
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