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16  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2015 on: January 28, 2015, 04:52:14 PM

Just don't sit there and claim that the people making this movie have ruined the Fantastic Four forever just because Professor and Johnny Storms are now black.
Never have I once claimed anything remotely resembling this. You're looking for a fight that's not here. Have fun with that.
17  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2015 on: January 28, 2015, 03:43:45 PM
So were you upset about Idris Elba playing Heimdall?
Maximiliano Hernández playing Jasper Sitwell?
Ben Kingsley as the (sorta) Mandarin?
Djimon Hounsou as Korath the Pursuer?
Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje as Algrim the Strong?
J. August Richards as Deathlok?

Why is the Storm family being black in a self-contained universe a bridge too far? It won't be folded back into the 616 books.

Also, did  Denzel Washington as Don Pedro upset you too?
Ok hang on a minute. Time out. You keep making this a much bigger issue to me than it is. You keep saying "upset" when I'm not upset, and I have never used the word upset, except to try and correct you. I am however, getting upset at you trying to make this a bigger issue than it is, and painting me as some kind of anti-equal rights douche. I'm going to restate my point one more time, you can call me upset again and then we can leave it, k?

Let's get a couple of things straight, shall we?

I have no objections in the slightest to black superheroes, female superheroes, LGBT superheroes, white superheroes, dog superheroes, raccoon superheroes, poor superheroes, middle class superheroes, or any other superhero

What I object to - and to be clear again, it's not a major objection, it's more of a "WTH?" observation (because it doesn't even warrant a WTF response) - is that they appear to be re-writing major characters, characters who are very clearly established as a particular archetype, and are doing so contrary to the published material.

Was I upset at Heimdall? No. Did I notice? Much like Morgenstern, yeah I noticed. And to be frank, it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to be black either, given this is the Norse Pantheon/Asgardians we're talking about here. Did it ruin my enjoyment of the Thor movies? Hell no! Heimdall is an awesome character, and I liked him just fine.

Jasper Sitwell? Couldn't care less, I'm not enough of a comic book fan to have even recognised the name, had to Wiki it.

The (not)Mandarin? The less said about him the better. Terrible, awful, just plain bad story, badly handled.

I had never even heard of the Guardians of the Galaxy before the movie, so I have no reference point for Korath.

Algrim the Strong? I can't find a comic book image of him without his ridiculous armour. The closest I can find is this:
(click to show/hide)
and it sure looks to me like he has black skin there. Plus as Kurse who can tell anyway?

Deathlok has been several people (it's often referred to as "Deathlok technology") so, no I have no issues with any actor playing Deathlok.

You say:
It won't be folded back into the 616 books
But that makes it worse not better - and to be honest I think there's a better than even chance the printed versions will be updated to match the movie, because sales.

But Johnny Storm is not that guy. He just isn't. And if the guy in the trailer is some dude called Donny Tempest, I have no objections at all.

Let me ask you a question: Were you equally ambivalent to the plot of U-571?

18  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2015 on: January 28, 2015, 06:06:27 AM
In that case though the comics did it first as part of a universe reboot - it's one of the most amusing things in the real world that they designed Fury to look like Samuel L Jackson, and then Jackson actually ended up playing Fury in the movies.
When the character resurfaced in 2002 in The Ultimates, he had been redesigned to look like actor Samuel L. Jackson.[3] and first appeared with this revised look in The Ultimates #1, as drawn by Bryan Hitch. The similarity is even noted within the comic itself, in a scene in which the Ultimates discuss who they think should play each of them in a hypothetical movie about the team. Fury's answer for himself is "Mr. Samuel L. Jackson, of course, no discussion." It was only after seeing the redesigned Nick Fury in the first issue of The Ultimates that Samuel L. Jackson learned of the use of his likeness and contacted Marvel in order to secure the role of Nick Fury in any future movies which would feature the character.
(From the Nick Fury wikipedia page, so probably not 100% accurate)

I guess it could be argued that the Movie Marvel Universe is itself a fairly substantial reboot. However, the Fantastic Four series is still being published, and Johnny Storm is still white in that series (although apparently it's being cancelled/ended sometime this year, and they may bring the FF in line with the movies when it comes back). Doom is still Doom and not a hacker, too. (/shakes head)
19  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2015 on: January 27, 2015, 07:57:18 PM
Of course I find it interesting that the character changes that have you so upset is Sue isn't a bright yellow blond and that Johnny and Dr Storm are black men, rather than that Doom's name being changed and is a hacker and blogger rather than the Prince of Latveria, mad scientist, and Reed's college roommate.
I'm not "so upset" I'm... at best mildly perturbed.

And I totally completely missed that the hacker and blogger was supposed to be Doom. That's.... wrong. On a lot of levels. I was actually wondering where Doom was in that clip, it never even occurred to me that it was that character.

But, hey, whatever.
You seem a lot more upset about this than I am, to be honest. I'd like to know the reason that Johnny Storm has been cast as black - and if the reason is "to fulfill our Political Correctness meter" - then that's as much as a BS call as casting Scarlet Johanssen in the Major's role.

If they can retire Hank Pym and introduce a new(? could easily be wrong on this point) character to take up Ant-Man, they could do the same with the F4, is all I'm saying.

And really? That guy's Doom? That's not a good choice at all, even if they have rewritten the story.

Agreed wrt to Sam Wilson vs Bucky, fwiw.
20  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2015 on: January 27, 2015, 04:58:42 PM
Don't get me wrong here; I don't object to having a diversified group of superheroes in the least.

But people who are uncomfortable with the "whitewashing" of Ghost in the Machine should be equally uncomfortable with a member of the Fantastic Four being black. It's simply not how the characters were written.

If this a brand new team, with brand new members, I have no problems. But making one of the team black (and if Andersen is correct, a brother to a white female) smacks of tokenism to the highest degree, which doesn't actually go any way towards actually fixing the very real problem that exists.

See also, for (IMO of course) a correct way of doing it: Sam.... (dammit forgot his last name) "The Falcon" stepping in as Captain America. A new character, not Steve Rogers. And done for very similar reasons, IIRC.
21  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2015 on: January 27, 2015, 04:24:36 PM
Sue's brother? That Johnny?  Huh? Huh? Huh?
22  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2015 on: January 27, 2015, 04:15:06 PM
I imagine this is the kind of comment which may attract a flame war but....

Why is Reed Richards so young?
Why is Sue Storm dark-haired? (although in the last shot she appears blonde)
Why is Ben Grimm a black man?

Sure, there's no real reason why Grimm couldn't be black, but.... he's not. Unless this is a BRAND NEW Fantastic Four with NEW NAMES.

/grognard mode off
23  Community / Off-Topic / Re: Modus Operandi on: January 23, 2015, 07:13:55 AM
Not sure what you have lined up for the '60's (a LOT, I imagine!!!) but during research for a game I'm writing I discovered that not one or two or three but four submarines sunk in mysterious circumstances in 1968 - one US, one Russian, one French, and one Israeli (by way of the British)
24  Products / Fantasy Craft / Re: [LABORATORY] The final Spellbound spells on: January 16, 2015, 02:59:34 AM
I like that a lot. Full round casting time, range touch (you gotta saw the part off)?
25  Community / Off-Topic / Re: D&D 5e on: January 08, 2015, 03:13:11 PM
Our group of (OMG) nearly 20 years is playing through a 5e pre-con module at the moment, and I'm not impressed. Fighting Defensively? Not an option. You can attack, or you can not attack (and give disadvantage to your attacker).

Going from 1st level to 2nd level you get... hit points. Your skills don't improve, your combat doesn't improve, your saves don't improve...

A Wizard with a good Dex is much much more dangerous in ranged combat than a Fighter with an average Dex.

Dex-based Fighters are insane; talk about specialising! Sure I'll take attack rolls, damage, and Armour Class all of the one (maxed) stat, thanks!

We had two characters die very early on - partly because the module is INSANE, but mostly because a first level damaging spell will take you out when you're first level. One character (mine) went from "unharmed" to "totally dead" due to a 3d8 (may have even been 3d10) spell.

We haven't played enough yet for me to completely dismiss it, but I'm not the only one in our group who doesn't like it so far.
26  Community / Off-Topic / Re: Cool Non-Video Links (Quizzes, Tests, Illusions, Etc..) on: January 06, 2015, 12:31:39 AM
Having plants that glow, and having plants that glow enough to see by, are two very different things. Think about how bright a street light lamp is to look directly at, then imagine that level of light (or slightly less given the proximity to the ground) radiating from a tree.

Ain't happening.
27  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2014 on: January 05, 2015, 05:19:17 AM
Sounds good Wolverine Smiley But even then we wouldn't be getting the ads that go with it, including this preview.

Zooming in on what we have as much as I can, what looks to have been released is a lot of people walking somewhere, so I don't think we're missing out on much Tongue
28  Community / Off-Topic / Re: Reaperwatch 2015 on: January 04, 2015, 03:49:39 PM
Stuart Scott, SportCentre presenter, and all around great guy Sad
29  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2014 on: January 03, 2015, 12:00:46 AM
Its designed to make you go watch the premier of Agent Carter.
Which is fine if you're in the 4% of the worlds population that are in the United States :-/
30  Community / Off-Topic / Re: The Silver Screen: Movie News, Reviews & Reactions 2014 on: January 02, 2015, 09:29:15 PM
Ah I was wondering, esp with the somewhat obvious CGI in it. Your one is, uh, interesting in a "I'll wait until I can actually see what's going on" way
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