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Title: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Shinrei on June 26, 2012, 03:56:36 AM
Hi there,

I saw your youtube unpacking video  ;D The softcover looks very nice! But i am a bit worried about the book holding up under use because it is quite thick. So now i am contemplating buying the hardcover version.

Two questions:

1.) is the hardcover book the same format as the softcover?
2.) is it true that the hardcover will only be available through your store? So i have to buy it here? If the answer is yes, can you tell me what the international shipping will cost me? (i fear too much to make the purchase reasonable  :'( )

Thanks in advance.

Shinrei
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on June 26, 2012, 05:05:52 AM
1.) is the hardcover book the same format as the softcover?

The contents are the same, yes. The format differs in that the hardcover has a fabric cover and a stamped spine, and is wrapped in a traditional hardcover novel dust jacket. The hardcover also features two full-color endsheets - one at the front displaying the Allomantic Table of Metals, and one at the back displaying the never-before-seen (except on our Facebook Page) Feruchemical Table of Metals.

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2.) is it true that the hardcover will only be available through your store? So i have to buy it here? If the answer is yes, can you tell me what the international shipping will cost me? (i fear too much to make the purchase reasonable  :'( )

Yes, it is true that the Deluxe Hardcover Edition is only available directly from us. Shipping to everywhere is calculated directly with the carrier(s) and includes *zero* markup from us. That is to say, you pay exactly what you would pay to the carrier of your choice to ship the book yourself from our location to yours.

As shipping is calculated via API and involves your address, we recommend you walk through a purchase of the hardcover on the purchase page (http://www.crafty-games.com/content/buy-mistborn-adventure-game), but don't complete the sale. That will show you how much the shipping will be, and you can make your call from there.

If you want to change your order, drop us a line (service@crafty-games.com) and we'll get it arranged.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Shinrei on June 26, 2012, 05:23:35 AM
Thanks Pat!
I think my first question was unclear. What i meant to ask was: does the HC have the same measurements as the SC (aka is it also in that smaller format - something like 6 x 9 instead of 8.5 x 11)?

I will look into the shipping cost. But if you do not have a special carrier-deal, the price will most likely be in the 30 - 40$ range, which is too high for me (the book would cost me ~ 80$).
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on June 26, 2012, 07:13:02 AM
Thanks Pat!
I think my first question was unclear. What i meant to ask was: does the HC have the same measurements as the SC (aka is it also in that smaller format - something like 6 x 9 instead of 8.5 x 11)?

The softcover and the hardcover interior pages are both 6" x 9". The hardcover boards are a bit bigger, as usual for hardcovers. :)

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I will look into the shipping cost. But if you do not have a special carrier-deal, the price will most likely be in the 30 - 40$ range, which is too high for me (the book would cost me ~ 80$).

Yeah, we're too small for the carriers to consider special rates for us. Sorry!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Shinrei on June 26, 2012, 07:29:01 AM
Thanks again for the fast reply, Pat. Highly appreciated!

I checked and the cheapest shipping to my part of the world is 30.44$.
And no need to apologize. I guess i am just spoiled by amazon and bookdepository who can offer very reasonable shipping charges (or are even shipping for free, in case of Bookdepository). As i am a student, i am really glad for that...because money is always in short supply.

I guess i will have to wait and see if one of those two stores will sell the softcover *keeps fingers crossed*

Btw, is the HC a limited time deal? Or will it stay in CG shop for as long as you sell the Mistborn Game?
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on June 26, 2012, 09:17:44 AM
And no need to apologize. I guess i am just spoiled by amazon and bookdepository who can offer very reasonable shipping charges (or are even shipping for free, in case of Bookdepository). As i am a student, i am really glad for that...because money is always in short supply.

We sympathize, believe me. You wouldn't believe how much we pay in shipping just to receive books back from the printers, let alone get them anywhere after that.

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I guess i will have to wait and see if one of those two stores will sell the softcover *keeps fingers crossed*

We suggest letting them know you're interested, and placing an order directly through them if you can. Every sale through an FLGS improves our chances of keeping our books in stock there. :)

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Btw, is the HC a limited time deal? Or will it stay in CG shop for as long as you sell the Mistborn Game?

While there's no time limit, the edition may sell out. If that happens deep enough into our license period, or some other reason crops up to prevent us from reprinting, then it's possible we won't be able to offer it any longer.

We're not there yet, though the the pre-orders were healthy and we're already through a strong percentage of the first printing.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Drawback on June 26, 2012, 01:56:22 PM
Mr Crafty_Pat, have you received the softcover books from your printers yet? If yes, you could make it an anouncement on your front page... It would be neat to know!

After all, we're all anxious to have the books in our hands ;-P.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Andy-C on June 26, 2012, 04:24:52 PM
Drawback, check this action out -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ati6-7rrhQk
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Surfmonkey01 on June 26, 2012, 06:37:01 PM
Not to threadjack, but... Have the softcovers begun shipping out?  I sprang for faster shipping, so I was hoping there was a decent chance I'd have it by the weekend.  Also, are the hardcovers still looking good for around July 9th?  (yeah, I bought one of each.  I'm a big Sanderson fan and a bit of a collector)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Alex on June 26, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
Not to threadjack, but... Have the softcovers begun shipping out?  I sprang for faster shipping, so I was hoping there was a decent chance I'd have it by the weekend.  Also, are the hardcovers still looking good for around July 9th?  (yeah, I bought one of each.  I'm a big Sanderson fan and a bit of a collector)

We've been working through the shipping pile today (it's big) and are hoping they'll be going out tomorrow or Thursday, depending on how the pile reduction initiative goes :) This is our first major shipment so we're still experiencing a few kinks.

As for the Hardcovers, as far as we know we should have them in hand on the 9th. That pile is *HUGE* however so it will take a few days to get them labeled, packed and shipped.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on June 26, 2012, 08:39:21 PM
Will we get a video of the hardcover unboxing? :)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Alex on June 26, 2012, 10:30:05 PM
Will we get a video of the hardcover unboxing? :)

Probably. I own the camera, but Pat and Erik are dealing with the pallet+ of hardcovers, so the scale of the product to be shipped won't come across....
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Sletchman on June 26, 2012, 11:17:57 PM
That is a pretty meaty looking book.  Looks like good production quality too, from what little can be seen on a vid.  Bodes well for future products (especially ones that might be equally thick).  Looking forward to seeing the hardcover (just wish I could have Spellbound in HC too).
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on June 27, 2012, 03:59:47 AM
Mr Crafty_Pat, have you received the softcover books from your printers yet? If yes, you could make it an anouncement on your front page... It would be neat to know!

After all, we're all anxious to have the books in our hands ;-P.

Thanks for the enthusiasm, and apologies for not posting to the front page. We reserve that for the very biggest stories and updates, rather than general updates. We do also have a blog (http://www.crafty-games.com/blog), though I see we didn't repost the unboxing vid there either (we did post about the softcovers' arrival, however, back on June 21). Our bad. Alex posted it to Facebook initially, which makes posting back to the site tricky (the site auto-feeds to Facebook).

Will we get a video of the hardcover unboxing? :)

Probably. I own the camera, but Pat and Erik are dealing with the pallet+ of hardcovers, so the scale of the product to be shipped won't come across....

I'll try to remember to take some pics, or maybe some vid with my phone.

That is a pretty meaty looking book.  Looks like good production quality too, from what little can be seen on a vid.  Bodes well for future products (especially ones that might be equally thick).  Looking forward to seeing the hardcover (just wish I could have Spellbound in HC too).

Thanks! We're very proud of our products and feel their production quality is the second most important thing we can invest in (after content). :)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: mach1.9pants on June 27, 2012, 07:10:20 PM
Can't wait for the hardcover unboxong.... and arriving! No need to rush with my hard cover, they take forever to get to NZ anyway, so you have my official permission to leave mine til last! ;) Probably not Wolverine's though, he might not be as relaxed  ;D
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on June 27, 2012, 08:23:22 PM
Can't wait for the hardcover unboxong.... and arriving! No need to rush with my hard cover, they take forever to get to NZ anyway, so you have my official permission to leave mine til last! ;) Probably not Wolverine's though, he might not be as relaxed  ;D

Oh we know. We're already in fear for our lives. ;)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 05, 2012, 07:06:29 PM
Any news? The date approaches.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 06, 2012, 04:39:21 PM
Any news? The date approaches.

But it isn't here yet. How could there be news unless the books arrived early? (They haven't BTW.)

I want to stress that the date the printer gave us is a projection. It's nigh impossible to guarantee dates when freight is involved - other companies that guarantee a product will be in their warehouse by a given date? They're padding. They actually get the books in weeks earlier and sit on them until their announced date. ;)

We didn't pad here - we gave you the dates the printer gave us, so please don't be stunned if the books don't arrive on July 9. We won't. We have evidence that they'll arrive close to that date but there are no guarantees - and as we've said everywhere we can the books won't be shipping until the week of July 16 anyway because of Comic-Con.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 06, 2012, 05:22:29 PM
In other news, we're consistently amazed by the warm generosity of our fans, and today's no exception.

A forumite benefactor who's asked to remain anonymous has offered to pay the shipping for a hardcover to Shinrei, and so we've made those arrangements and the book will go out with the other hardcovers in the week of July 16.

It's days like these that Alex and I most cherish. The Crafty Games family is special for many reasons but first and foremost because you're all awesome. Thank you.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 07, 2012, 03:22:20 AM
But it isn't here yet. How could there be news unless the books arrived early? (They haven't BTW.)

Cheers.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Shinrei on July 08, 2012, 03:37:15 AM
In other news, we're consistently amazed by the warm generosity of our fans, and today's no exception.

A forumite benefactor who's asked to remain anonymous has offered to pay the shipping for a hardcover to Shinrei, and so we've made those arrangements and the book will go out with the other hardcovers in the week of July 16.

It's days like these that Alex and I most cherish. The Crafty Games family is special for many reasons but first and foremost because you're all awesome. Thank you.

As the one profiting from this generosity i can only second what Pat is saying. I was totally surprised and overwhelmed by this generous offer. I humbly accepted it. The not-so-egocentric side of this deal is that i can give the awesome guys at Crafty Games some money and that was the deciding factor when i made the decision to accept the generous offer of the anonymous benefactor.

If you read this, Ms. or Mr. Benefactor, you have my sincerest and heartfelt thanks!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: dbmeboy on July 10, 2012, 01:00:16 PM
So did they come in?  >:D
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 14, 2012, 12:49:40 AM
So did they come in?  >:D

Yes - the day I was on the road to Comic-Con.  (http://www.crafty-games.com/forum/index.php?topic=6425.0)

See why we pad the schedule? (In this case, "padding" by saying we'd ship the hardcovers out next week.) ;)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: dbmeboy on July 14, 2012, 08:14:14 AM
I'm looking forward to finally getting my hands on the book.  ;D
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Dreamstreamer on July 16, 2012, 11:20:48 AM
Will we get any kind of shipping notification when the books are sent?
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Surfmonkey01 on July 16, 2012, 05:38:56 PM
So there's a review on Facebook, and other folks are commenting on it that they got their copies... Did our start sneaking them out the shipping line a little early?  And if so, when can I expect mine?  :-)

Gencon last year (when I initially preordered) was a looooooong time ago...
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 16, 2012, 06:20:42 PM
Will we get any kind of shipping notification when the books are sent?

Probably not individual emails but if you subscribe to our RSS feed (http://www.crafty-games.com/needtoknow) or watch our Facebook Page (http://www.facebook.com/craftygames), Twitter Page (http://www.twitter.com/Crafty_Games), or Google+ Page (https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/106544222450970761493/106544222450970761493), you'll see a note there when the last of the first (current) wave of hardcovers go out.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 16, 2012, 06:23:56 PM
So there's a review on Facebook, and other folks are commenting on it that they got their copies... Did our start sneaking them out the shipping line a little early?  And if so, when can I expect mine?  :-)

All those are contributor copies, drawn from a separate pool that was shipped out from a separate location.

We're shipping purchased copies out this week, and as noted in the previous post will be updating our various feeds when they're all in the mail.

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Gencon last year (when I initially preordered) was a looooooong time ago...

It was, and we apologize (again) for the long wait. Had we been able to anticipate the various issues between then and now we definitely wouldn't have sold those products at the show last year. We've adjusted the way we do things now, and you'll see the first evidence of that at Gen Con this year. (Indeed, folks who made it to San Diego Comic-Con and visited Brandon's booth in the hall may have seen what we're talking about...)

/tease
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Surfmonkey01 on July 16, 2012, 07:11:01 PM

It was, and we apologize (again) for the long wait. Had we been able to anticipate the various issues between then and now we definitely wouldn't have sold those products at the show last year. We've adjusted the way we do things now, and you'll see the first evidence of that at Gen Con this year. (Indeed, folks who made it to San Diego Comic-Con and visited Brandon's booth in the hall may have seen what we're talking about...)

/tease

Ooh, you tease... When will we non-Con-goers get to find out what they saw?
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 16, 2012, 07:22:59 PM
Ooh, you tease... When will we non-Con-goers get to find out what they saw?

It's stuff we'll actually have for sale at Gen Con, so probably a week or two out from that show. (For those of you not counting, that's just a couple/few weeks away, so... not long!)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Ardrikk on July 17, 2012, 07:27:20 PM
Incidentally, I wanted to share a problem I've had trying to order the hardcover edition.  I tried to order it on Sunday, but found that Paypal (which is the only option for processing a payment to you guys) would not accept the credit card I was trying to use.  I tried multiple times, but the transaction wouldn't process.  Very frustrating.

Thankfully, one of my FLGS's proprietor is being extremely nice and is going to order a copy of the hardcover, with pdf, from your site for me and have it delivered to his store and then let me come in and buy it from him.  I informed him I'd pay for the cost of the book, the shipping, and several dollars extra to make it worth his while to even do this for me.

But I wanted to share this to bring it to your attention that though I wanted to buy the hardcover book from you, I almost literally could not do so.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 18, 2012, 02:29:32 AM
Why didn't Paypal accept your credit card?
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 18, 2012, 04:44:46 AM
Incidentally, I wanted to share a problem I've had trying to order the hardcover edition.  I tried to order it on Sunday, but found that Paypal (which is the only option for processing a payment to you guys) would not accept the credit card I was trying to use.  I tried multiple times, but the transaction wouldn't process.  Very frustrating.

That's odd. Would you mind dropping me an email (pat@crafty-games.com) with relevant details (so they're not out in the open)? I'd like to research that a bit.

Glad your store offered to grab the book for you. Please thank them for us, and be sure to pass along my email address to them as well in case they need anything.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Dreamstreamer on July 18, 2012, 06:44:12 AM
Thankfully, one of my FLGS's proprietor is being extremely nice and is going to order a copy of the hardcover, with pdf, from your site for me and have it delivered to his store and then let me come in and buy it from him.  I informed him I'd pay for the cost of the book, the shipping, and several dollars extra to make it worth his while to even do this for me.

That is pretty cool of them. I know one of the local stores around here is doing a release promotion with Brandon Sanderson (http://brandonsanderson.com/blog/1098/Mistborn-Adventure-Game-Release-Event-in-Provo) on hand to sign the books. They are accepting preorders at the store for the hardcovers that will get a poster of the Chart of Allomantic Metals ($10 value) tossed in for free. It helps that Brandon only lives about 10-15 miles away. If I hadn't already pre-ordered through Crafty Games, I would be mighty tempted to go that route. In fact, if I didn't have a family vacation planned to leave that morning, I would probably pre-order a second copy and show up.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Ardrikk on July 18, 2012, 10:45:26 AM
Okay, email sent and I'll pass on your email to the store owner, Pat.

I have no idea why Paypal wouldn't accept the card.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 18, 2012, 11:40:46 AM
Okay, email sent and I'll pass on your email to the store owner, Pat.

I have no idea why Paypal wouldn't accept the card.

Applications burp and sometimes they need a binkie. We'll figure it out.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Krensky on July 19, 2012, 12:32:48 AM
It may also be your bank or card issuer denying the transaction.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Ardrikk on July 19, 2012, 04:21:36 AM
There were more than enough funds available, so no reason for that.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Sletchman on July 19, 2012, 06:01:00 AM
There were more than enough funds available, so no reason for that.

For what it's worth, I've had my bank deny transactions without it being related to funds.  In both cases it had something to do with the place I was making the purchase from making one of those $0.01 charges at the same time as they charged the price of the purchase.  I'm not sure what the purpose of the $0.01 is, I know some companies charge it when you assign a credit card to an account (Xbox Live, for instance) to confirm that it's correct and active, but these two instances were at the instant of making a purchase - my bank flagged it and shutdown the transaction (without giving me any notice, mind you).

It's also possible if you're from a non-US country that your bank has something weird going on for US purchases (something to do with currency conversion would be my guess).  I've seen that happen to friends before.

Just some ideas - financial institutions often do things that make no sense to us regular folks.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 19, 2012, 06:26:53 AM
It's also possible if you're from a non-US country that your bank has something weird going on for US purchases (something to do with currency conversion would be my guess).  I've seen that happen to friends before.

I've had this happen when I purchased stuff from Europe, so yeah, I can confirm it's a thing.

We're working on this. So far it fortunately appears to be limited to just a couple folks. As far as we know, everyone else's orders are coming in just fine.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Kalthandrix on July 19, 2012, 01:24:47 PM
Any update on when we will be seeing the hardcovers?
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: dbmeboy on July 19, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
Any update on when we will be seeing the hardcovers?
Or perhaps a brief update on the shipping progress (ie 50% have shipped, 90%, whatever)?  Basically, should I be looking for my book next week or next year...
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 21, 2012, 05:43:05 AM
Any update on when we will be seeing the hardcovers?
Or perhaps a brief update on the shipping progress (ie 50% have shipped, 90%, whatever)?  Basically, should I be looking for my book next week or next year...

Apologies. I'd meant to post an update but this week's been murder (staying on top of things at the office and trying to push out the books at the warehouse).

About half of the orders have gone out now, and we expect the rest will go out early this coming week. As usual, there were unforeseen glitches in the process (the rule of thumb is take any estimate you have and triple it, then double to triple it again if it's your first time, which this was). On the up side, the process is streamlining pretty easily, and as learning curves go this one's been pretty tame.

We'll definitely post to the blog (http://www.crafty-games.com/blog) when the last of the current orders are out the door.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 23, 2012, 08:42:22 PM
So, has anyone received the hardcover yet?
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: CalKrug on July 24, 2012, 04:57:58 AM
So, has anyone received the hardcover yet?

Got mine yesterday!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: MilitiaJim on July 24, 2012, 08:58:58 AM
Mine arrived about twenty minutes ago.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: jscifert on July 24, 2012, 04:45:40 PM
Mine arrived today as well and is BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: MistbornDave on July 24, 2012, 06:38:07 PM
Got mine yesterday, and all I can say WOW!! :o :o :o
Its amazing!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 26, 2012, 03:48:57 AM
Posted a brief update over in the other shipping thread (http://www.crafty-games.com/forum/index.php?topic=6470.msg115090#msg115090), and will be posting something more official on the front page later this morning.

I'll say it here as well - if you love your book, please spread the word! We can use all the good word of mouth we can get. :)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Surfmonkey01 on July 26, 2012, 08:57:57 AM
Just got mine a few minutes ago.  Gorgeous book!  I'm getting a little tired of books I get in the mail always having the corners all banged up something fierce, but I guess that's just the US postal service for you...
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 26, 2012, 09:42:50 AM
Just got mine a few minutes ago.  Gorgeous book!  I'm getting a little tired of books I get in the mail always having the corners all banged up something fierce, but I guess that's just the US postal service for you...

Sigh. We're really sorry to hear that. We did everything we could think of to protect the books in transit but at the end of the day we really are at the mercy of the postal service. :(
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Surfmonkey01 on July 26, 2012, 10:41:52 AM
Just got mine a few minutes ago.  Gorgeous book!  I'm getting a little tired of books I get in the mail always having the corners all banged up something fierce, but I guess that's just the US postal service for you...

Sigh. We're really sorry to hear that. We did everything we could think of to protect the books in transit but at the end of the day we really are at the mercy of the postal service. :(

Hey, it's cool.  I in no way blame you guys.  Between the postal service in general and my mailman in particular, it happens more frequently than I would like.

Banged up corners aside, the book looks amazing, and looks really nice next to my first edition novel hardcovers.  So I say "Bravo!" to you all
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: BrianI on July 26, 2012, 03:18:53 PM
Picked up a hardcover today at Black Diamond Games (http://www.blackdiamondgames.com), en route from lunch.

Really nice hardcover - I had grabbed the softcover previously (it came well recommended), but the hard cover is quite nice.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Alex on July 26, 2012, 03:55:09 PM
Picked up a hardcover today at Black Diamond Games (http://www.blackdiamondgames.com), en route from lunch.

Really nice hardcover - I had grabbed the softcover previously (it came well recommended), but the hard cover is quite nice.

You're lucky - Black Diamond is the only retailer in the country to get these hardcovers, thanks to the partnership we have with them for supporting our Bay Area shows. Enjoy and thanks for your support!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Morganti on July 26, 2012, 03:56:19 PM
I might have to make a trip up that way then!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: BrianI on July 26, 2012, 04:23:59 PM
I might have to make a trip up that way then!
Call them first. They've had a few copies of the hardcover. I might have taken the last one, or it may have been the only one on display.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: BrianI on July 26, 2012, 04:34:11 PM
You're lucky - Black Diamond is the only retailer in the country to get these hardcovers, thanks to the partnership we have with them for supporting our Bay Area shows. Enjoy and thanks for your support!
Gary was pretty pleased, and referenced the arrangement. Michael Parker was the one who recommended the Mistborn game.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 27, 2012, 10:05:28 AM
I wouldn't worry too much about Black Diamond running out. They stock our Bay Area shows, so they have a healthy pile of the books on hand.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: BrianI on July 27, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
I wouldn't worry too much about Black Diamond running out. They stock our Bay Area shows, so they have a healthy pile of the books on hand.
Good to know! Mainly, I'd have felt bad if someone drive out expecting though ...

I went and bought the 1st Mistborn novel, and The Alloy of Law, via iPad last night after getting into the adventure game a bit.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 27, 2012, 10:47:59 PM
Picked up a hardcover today at Black Diamond Games (http://www.blackdiamondgames.com), en route from lunch.

Lucky. I preordered in December 2011 and I am still waiting for mine. :(
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Dreamstreamer on July 28, 2012, 07:15:35 AM
Lucky. I preordered in December 2011 and I am still waiting for mine. :(

I preordered August 4th, 2011. It was worth the wait.

Granted, I preordered the combo, so it's not like I didn't have something to help pass the time...
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 28, 2012, 10:46:04 AM
Picked up a hardcover today at Black Diamond Games (http://www.blackdiamondgames.com), en route from lunch.

Lucky. I preordered in December 2011 and I am still waiting for mine. :(

Yours went out last Thursday. Should be arriving soon. What state are you in?
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: rudedd on July 28, 2012, 01:27:11 PM
Hi Crafty_Pat,
     
I'm in the same boat as Skywalker, was curious if I could get a confirmation.  I'm all the way in NY and sounds like you are out on the west cost (Bay Area), so likely just a slow USPS trip cross the country.   Looking forward to seeing it, sounds like an awesome book.

Regards,
rudedd
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 28, 2012, 03:35:44 PM
Rudedd - I can confirm your book went out this past Tuesday (which will be the case for pretty much everyone who ordered after Gen Con last and went Media Mail).

Everyone - Direct order inquires should be sent via email (service@crafty-games.om) but I want to stress that there's not much we can do for anyone right now other than to confirm that your book went out (and even then, I can confirm here that we've worked out every issue with every order so far that could have delayed a shipment, so if you made a purchase with us directly anytime through July 23 your book(s) is/are definitely on the way).

Media Mail is what virtually everyone chose - which is understandable, given it's the most economical option - but it also doesn't offer an option to reliably track the package. As we mention in the front page announcement (http://www.crafty-games.com/content/mistborn-adventure-game-all-direct-orders-have-shipped), it takes up to 8 business days for Media Mail packages to arrive at their destinations - even the closest ones - and that means that in most cases you should give your shipments until August 3 (for domestic orders) or until August 20 before we can start looking into lost or mislaid mail issues.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: rudedd on July 28, 2012, 04:54:37 PM
Thanks I really appreciate your looking into it and sharing the details (i had forgotten the media mail aspect).  At least that gives me a date to look for it by.  Turns out I'll be away the 3rd and through the weekend, so if comes then I won't get a look until Sunday at the earliest.  Hopefully I'll have it for my trip....

Thanks,
rudedd
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 29, 2012, 02:10:29 AM
Yours went out last Thursday. Should be arriving soon. What state are you in?

New Zealand.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 29, 2012, 07:44:53 AM
Yours went out last Thursday. Should be arriving soon. What state are you in?

New Zealand.

That explains it. International shipping is sloooow. Ask anyone printing in China. (It's one of the reasons we don't.)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Sletchman on July 29, 2012, 11:04:06 AM
I figured I'd give it a month after you said they were all shipped before I started wondering where mine was.  Australia is as troublesome as NZ for international shipping.  Perhaps the first person for each international location to get theirs should post a note so others have an idea of the rough window?
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 29, 2012, 11:50:03 AM
That explains it. International shipping is sloooow. Ask anyone printing in China. (It's one of the reasons we don't.)

No need, just ask anyone living overseas. First Class International is normally 2 weeks though.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 29, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
And on saying that, my wife is telling me that my copy has just arrived  :D
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: mach1.9pants on July 29, 2012, 05:59:59 PM
Can't wait for the hardcover unboxong.... and arriving! No need to rush with my hard cover, they take forever to get to NZ anyway, so you have my official permission to leave mine til last! ;) Probably not Wolverine's though, he might not be as relaxed  ;D

Oh we know. We're already in fear for our lives. ;)
Well it took less than 4 days to get here to NZ, WOW!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 29, 2012, 06:03:37 PM
Well it took less than 4 days to get here to NZ, WOW!

It was shipped 23 July so that makes it 6 days, 2 of which were the weekend. Nice.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: mach1.9pants on July 29, 2012, 10:04:09 PM
Ah my bad I thought it was shipped on the 26th, anyway still very speedy  ;D
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Sletchman on July 29, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
Wow, that is some extremely rapid shipping.  Takes longer then that to send mail to my sister who lives in the same country (and State!) as I do.  Guess I'll keep an eye on my postbox this week.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: meadicus on July 30, 2012, 04:21:26 AM
Just got mine (UK). Slightly mushed in one corner but overall beautiful :) I look forward to digesting it when I get home from work.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Antilles on July 30, 2012, 06:59:45 AM
I´ve been away for a week, but apparently the book came last friday, which for shipping from the States to Norway is pretty damn impressive. The package was in remarkably good shape too, so the book is completely pristine. All in all, the shipping gets two thumbs up from me. Now, to find the time to sit down and actually read this awesome-looking book...
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Kalthandrix on July 30, 2012, 11:45:54 AM
Lucky! The Norwegian mail service must be asweome, because I live here in the US and I have still not received my copy... Is there any way we can track a shipment?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Alex on July 30, 2012, 12:05:26 PM
Unfortunately, no. As we noted elsewhere, Media Mail (which the vast majority of you selected) does not offer tracking services. Also note the books went out in their entirety less than a week ago, and Media Mail can take up to 8 business days. Hang tight!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 30, 2012, 03:53:26 PM
Lucky! The Norwegian mail service must be asweome, because I live here in the US and I have still not received my copy... Is there any way we can track a shipment?

Thanks!

Just checked your order and I can confirm it went out in the very first wave - that would be Thursday, July 19 - so you're nearing the end of your window. You should expect the book any day now.

Glad to see everyone overseas is having such good luck. It's not what I expected, frankly (we all know that international shipping is typically not very prompt), and it's great to see the shipping services pleasantly surprising us for once. :)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 30, 2012, 04:21:04 PM
Iīve been away for a week, but apparently the book came last friday, which for shipping from the States to Norway is pretty damn impressive. The package was in remarkably good shape too, so the book is completely pristine. All in all, the shipping gets two thumbs up from me. Now, to find the time to sit down and actually read this awesome-looking book...

Mine was in great shape too. I will of course be getting the dust jacket covered by my local library :)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 30, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
I will of course be getting the dust jacket covered by my local library :)

/confused

Huh?  ???
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Kalthandrix on July 30, 2012, 06:04:25 PM
I will of course be getting the dust jacket covered by my local library :)

/confused

Huh?  ???
He's going to get the mylar dust jacket put on it, I would assume. I don't know what the library has to do with it, I just buy the mylar jackets and put them on myself, but it is worth it if this is something that you want to protect and will get handled.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 30, 2012, 06:10:14 PM
He's going to get the mylar dust jacket put on it, I would assume. I don't know what the library has to do with it, I just buy the mylar jackets and put them on myself, but it is worth it if this is something that you want to protect and will get handled.

I figured it was a protective cover of some kind but the library thing threw me.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: zthumser on July 31, 2012, 07:39:50 AM
Jeez, Norway, New Zealand?  I'm in frickin' Ohio and I still haven't gotten mine!  Don't worry, Craftys, I'm not complaining, well, I mean, I'm certainly whining, but I'm not really complaining.  I'm sure I ordered cheap shipping and I'm not outside the expected window yet.  Just anxious, that's all.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 31, 2012, 02:19:43 PM
Jeez, Norway, New Zealand?  I'm in frickin' Ohio and I still haven't gotten mine!  Don't worry, Craftys, I'm not complaining, well, I mean, I'm certainly whining, but I'm not really complaining.  I'm sure I ordered cheap shipping and I'm not outside the expected window yet.  Just anxious, that's all.

I feel for ya, I really do. Honestly, the USPS and its international counterparts are near a complete mystery to us *. Everyone's books went out within just a few business days of each other - at the outside (in many cases, we're seeing international shipments separated by a single day at our end arriving up to a week ahead of domestic shipments. It's baffling.

* You wouldn't believe what we have to do just to ship stuff on our own. Seriously, we had to buy a premium monthly subscription with a third party to avoid hours of extra work each and every week doing stuff the USPS claims its site and various apps can do for free (and which they really, really should have been offering for free for at least a decade now). It's unbelievable.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 31, 2012, 02:31:57 PM
I figured it was a protective cover of some kind but the library thing threw me.

My local library covers dustjackets for a nominal cost. Its not that easy to buy mylar jackets here in New Zealand for some reason.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 31, 2012, 02:44:55 PM
I figured it was a protective cover of some kind but the library thing threw me.

My local library covers dustjackets for a nominal cost. Its not that easy to buy mylar jackets here in New Zealand for some reason.

Ah. Interesting.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Sletchman on July 31, 2012, 02:50:40 PM
I figured it was a protective cover of some kind but the library thing threw me.

My local library covers dustjackets for a nominal cost. Its not that easy to buy mylar jackets here in New Zealand for some reason.

I've never seen them here in Aus either (except those that people have purchased online and put on themselves).
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on July 31, 2012, 06:52:04 PM
Ah. Interesting.

You used to be able to buy them. Libraries however buy them in massive rolls that they can then tailor to any size book perfectly.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Viperion on July 31, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
Where in NZ are you Skywalker? I'm in Dunedin :)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Nikomis on July 31, 2012, 09:01:16 PM
I got mine today in IL. The back jacket AND the back cover of the book itself has a giant dent in it like someone took rebar to the thing...
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Cen on August 01, 2012, 10:45:30 AM
I got mine today in IL. The back jacket AND the back cover of the book itself has a giant dent in it like someone took rebar to the thing...

That sucks. Me and a friend both ordered the hard cover and they arrived in perfect condition. Love the art in the books! It was all to grainy in the PDF, which I understand, but it's nice to see it in all its glory.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Skywalker on August 01, 2012, 02:40:06 PM
Where in NZ are you Skywalker? I'm in Dunedin :)

Wellington.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Pat on August 01, 2012, 02:47:59 PM
I got mine today in IL. The back jacket AND the back cover of the book itself has a giant dent in it like someone took rebar to the thing...

Ah the postal service... No amount of preparation and second-guessing can prevent the odd mishap. Sorry it had to happen to you, but don't worry - we'll take care of it.

I see that you emailed us about this last night. We'll respond there.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Sletchman on August 01, 2012, 02:59:06 PM
I got mine today in IL. The back jacket AND the back cover of the book itself has a giant dent in it like someone took rebar to the thing...

Ah the postal service... No amount of preparation and second-guessing can prevent the odd mishap.

You're not wrong - my sister sent me a DVD in the mail, and despite a plastic case, bubble wrap and a cardbox box (complete with Fragile stickers and extra "fragile post fee") it arrived broken.  That's from within the same state as me, too.  Just lucky it was just a dump from her videocamera that she wanted me to edit into a nicer order - nothing that can't be replaced on the cheap.

After that I said to wait til she was down here on holidays before she gave me a couple xbox games...
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Dreamstreamer on August 01, 2012, 03:11:48 PM
You're not wrong - my sister sent me a DVD in the mail, and despite a plastic case, bubble wrap and a cardbox box (complete with Fragile stickers and extra "fragile post fee") it arrived broken.  That's from within the same state as me, too.  Just lucky it was just a dump from her videocamera that she wanted me to edit into a nicer order - nothing that can't be replaced on the cheap.

After that I said to wait til she was down here on holidays before she gave me a couple xbox games...

Hearing stories like these remind me of this Chocolate Milk Commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De8hhNYMQqE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De8hhNYMQqE)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: zthumser on August 02, 2012, 04:02:44 PM
Got mine today, it arrived in excellent condition.

I was surprised that it looks (in terms of binding, cover, dust jacket, and most notably dimensions) like a hardcover novel, not at all like your typical RPG book, which tend to be taller and wider than most hardcover novels (and this book).  Maybe everyone but me was expecting this, but it was a surprise to me.  It's unusual, but it is not a bad thing; the cover and binding seem far higher quality than what you get on a typical RPG book.

So great condition, really great quality, and I already knew that I liked the content from the pdfs; I'm entirely pleased.  Great work, guys!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Alex on August 02, 2012, 07:43:34 PM
I was surprised that it looks (in terms of binding, cover, dust jacket, and most notably dimensions) like a hardcover novel, not at all like your typical RPG book, which tend to be taller and wider than most hardcover novels (and this book).  Maybe everyone but me was expecting this, but it was a surprise to me.  It's unusual, but it is not a bad thing; the cover and binding seem far higher quality than what you get on a typical RPG book.

Glad you like the format. This was one of my day one goals when I conceived and pitched the project to Pat - to make a book that matched the hardcovers on your shelf, and looked less like a game. Our printer knocked it out of the park with it - helped us match paper, binding, covers and even stamping to synch up. I'm really glad I wasn't crazy :)

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So great condition, really great quality, and I already knew that I liked the content from the pdfs; I'm entirely pleased.  Great work, guys!

Thanks - glad you're enjoying it!
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Sletchman on August 03, 2012, 02:53:08 AM
Mine arrived either yesterday or today (it was delivered to my Mum's house, which is lucky - I don't remember putting her address, but I've moved since I pre-ordered last year).  It was in perfect condition, and it's an excellent quality book (printing and binding wise - I haven't read it yet).  If I enjoy The Final Empire, I'm going to get the series in hardcover to match - at a glance, my housemate thought I'd purchased a Mistborn book, and didn't realise that it was a game.  So mission accomplished, Alex.

My only gripe is that we can't get Spellbound in hardcover too (hint hint) given the superb quality of this release.

For those playing along:  I'm in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia - so if you're in The Sunshine State, start checking your mail boxes.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Akerbos on August 04, 2012, 04:17:52 AM
My hardcover arrived in good condition, with only a few small blemishes. I have received far worse from Amazon.

Sigh. We're really sorry to hear that. We did everything we could think of to protect the books in transit but at the end of the day we really are at the mercy of the postal service. :(

Mine arrive in a closely fitting carton box without any padding; is that less protection in order to keep international shipping costs down?  ???
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Crafty_Alex on August 04, 2012, 10:08:56 AM
My hardcover arrived in good condition, with only a few small blemishes. I have received far worse from Amazon.

Sigh. We're really sorry to hear that. We did everything we could think of to protect the books in transit but at the end of the day we really are at the mercy of the postal service. :(

Mine arrive in a closely fitting carton box without any padding; is that less protection in order to keep international shipping costs down?  ???

The protection is the close carton itself, leaving less room to rattle. A lot of book shippers do the exact same thing - find a tight-fitting box and don't bother with peanuts or bubble wrap. We'd initial planned to stuff packing paper in the 1/4" gap at the and to completely immobilize the book but it sometimes proved too tight.
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: aegis on August 05, 2012, 11:26:14 PM
Received mine last week! I'm gonna be honest, I haven't had time yet nor envy to read the full PDF on a computer screen (that's why I wanted the epub version so bad). But now the physical book is in my hands I'm gonna catch up quickly!  :)
Title: Re: Question concerning the hardcover
Post by: Akerbos on August 06, 2012, 02:11:27 PM
The protection is the close carton itself, leaving less room to rattle. A lot of book shippers do the exact same thing - find a tight-fitting box and don't bother with peanuts or bubble wrap. We'd initial planned to stuff packing paper in the 1/4" gap at the and to completely immobilize the book but it sometimes proved too tight.

I see. It seems to have worked; as I said, the book arrived in very good condition.