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Title: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on December 15, 2011, 08:55:38 PM
Hey everyone,

Just uploaded all the game's sheet's to the Mistborn section of our Downloads page (http://www.crafty-games.com/index.php?q=content/mistborn-adventure-game-downloads). As you can see in the book there are five of them and we've provided form-fillables for each, plus separate Hero and Villain sheets that auto-calculate Resiliences.

Enjoy!

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Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: dbmeboy on December 20, 2011, 08:37:33 PM
I'm not having any luck getting the auto-calculate Hero sheet to work.  I'm using Acrobat Pro 9.4.7.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on December 20, 2011, 08:46:03 PM
I'm not having any luck getting the auto-calculate Hero sheet to work.  I'm using Acrobat Pro 9.4.7.

Please describe exactly what you're experiencing. Be as specific as possible. Thanks!
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: dbmeboy on December 20, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
The short version: the auto-calc sheets work just like the regular form fillable sheets except that the Resilience scores are stuck at zero.
The long version: I can enter scores for Attributes and Standing normally (for example, let's say they're all '4').  The resilience scores remain at zero and neither autocalculate anything nor allow me to manually modify them.  I'm running Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro version 9.4.7.  OS is Windows 7 64-bit.  I haven't tried on my laptop (acrobat reader instead of pro and 32-bit) or in Linux yet, so I can't fully isolate where the problem is.  Perhaps I need to update to Acrobat X?
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Bill Whitmore on December 20, 2011, 09:52:17 PM
I just tried the auto-calc sheet and the Resiliences are adding up correctly for me, but I am using Foxit Reader, not Adobe Acrobat.  I'll try it again tomorrow at work where I have Adobe Reader installed.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on December 20, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
Hm. I'm using Acrobat X and the sheets work fine for me. Anyone else running an earlier version of Acrobat and running into this issue?
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on December 21, 2011, 03:26:37 AM
The short version: the auto-calc sheets work just like the regular form fillable sheets except that the Resilience scores are stuck at zero.
The long version: I can enter scores for Attributes and Standing normally (for example, let's say they're all '4').  The resilience scores remain at zero and neither autocalculate anything nor allow me to manually modify them.  I'm running Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro version 9.4.7.  OS is Windows 7 64-bit.  I haven't tried on my laptop (acrobat reader instead of pro and 32-bit) or in Linux yet, so I can't fully isolate where the problem is.  Perhaps I need to update to Acrobat X?

Is this happening with all the auto-calculating sheets or just the character sheet?

Also, what luck did you have on your other machine(s)?

We tested it here on the exact same set-up you have (same software on Windows 7, though I'm not sure if it was 64- or 32-bit), and the sheet worked just fine.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: dbmeboy on December 21, 2011, 04:35:24 AM
I'll test it on other machines when I get back from work tonight (and also try Reader instead of Acrobat Pro, and upgrade Pro to X because I've been meaning to do that for a while).  It is happening with the auto-calculating sheets. *shrug*
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on December 21, 2011, 05:21:40 AM
I'll test it on other machines when I get back from work tonight (and also try Reader instead of Acrobat Pro, and upgrade Pro to X because I've been meaning to do that for a while).  It is happening with the auto-calculating sheets. *shrug*

Strange. Well, definitely let us know what you find.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Bill Whitmore on December 21, 2011, 08:32:15 AM
I tried the auto-calc using Adobe Reader at work and the summation is working fin on my system.  (Windows 7, Adobe Reader 9.4.5)
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: dbmeboy on December 21, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
It works properly on Acrobat Reader 9 on my laptop, I'll see what it does on my desktop with Acrobat Reader instead of Acrobat Pro.  However, when I open it in Acrobat Reader 9 I get a message that I can only save a blank copy of the form and cannot save copies with anything filled in (which was not a problem before).
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: ComicJam on December 21, 2011, 11:54:20 AM
It works properly on Acrobat Reader 9 on my laptop, I'll see what it does on my desktop with Acrobat Reader instead of Acrobat Pro.  However, when I open it in Acrobat Reader 9 I get a message that I can only save a blank copy of the form and cannot save copies with anything filled in (which was not a problem before).

May I ask if this is the same with all the sheets on both of your computers?
Also, which sheets are you trying to use?

Cheers! :D
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Aminar on December 21, 2011, 11:58:27 AM
Try CABAReT stage's free version, that's been working for me where standard won't.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Bill Whitmore on December 21, 2011, 01:07:44 PM
It works properly on Acrobat Reader 9 on my laptop, I'll see what it does on my desktop with Acrobat Reader instead of Acrobat Pro.  However, when I open it in Acrobat Reader 9 I get a message that I can only save a blank copy of the form and cannot save copies with anything filled in (which was not a problem before).

May I ask if this is the same with all the sheets on both of your computers?
Also, which sheets are you trying to use?

Cheers! :D

I am seeing the inability to save forms using Acrobat Reader 9.4.5 for Windows 7 while using the sheets downloaded from the Downloads page and linked in the Original Post.

Just uploaded all the game's sheet's to the Mistborn section of our Downloads page (http://www.crafty-games.com/index.php?q=content/mistborn-adventure-game-downloads). As you can see in the book there are five of them and we've provided form-fillables for each, plus separate Hero and Villain sheets that auto-calculate Resiliences.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: dbmeboy on December 21, 2011, 03:31:42 PM
It works properly on Acrobat Reader 9 on my laptop, I'll see what it does on my desktop with Acrobat Reader instead of Acrobat Pro.  However, when I open it in Acrobat Reader 9 I get a message that I can only save a blank copy of the form and cannot save copies with anything filled in (which was not a problem before).

May I ask if this is the same with all the sheets on both of your computers?
Also, which sheets are you trying to use?

Cheers! :D

So far I've only tried opening the auto-calc heroes sheet.  I am unable to save (but the auto-calc works correctly) using Acrobat Reader X on my desktop (Windows 7 64-bit) and Acrobat Reader 9.4.7 on my laptop (Windows 7 32-bit).  I am able to save, but no auto-calc using Acrobat Pro 9.4.7 on my desktop.

I just finished installing the update to Acrobat Pro X on my desktop (free student software is great).  In it, I can both save and use the autocalc.  I'm not sure what the problem is with Acrobat Pro 9, but it seems to be the weak link.

Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: ComicJam on December 22, 2011, 12:35:39 AM
This is completely baffling. I'm using Acrobat Reader 9.0.0 on my Macbook and I can edit with auto-calc and save with no problems.

Cheers! :D
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: dbmeboy on December 22, 2011, 10:41:32 AM
This is completely baffling. I'm using Acrobat Reader 9.0.0 on my Macbook and I can edit with auto-calc and save with no problems.

Cheers! :D

Maybe there's some difference between how the Windows versions and Mac versions of Acrobat Reader handle fillable form sheets?  Anyone else using a Mac?
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Akerbos on January 02, 2012, 11:26:14 AM
No auto-calculation on Evince 2.32.0, but I can save (as a copy).
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on January 04, 2012, 04:25:28 PM
We've also uploaded a new set of form-fillable and auto-calculating sheets for the Mistborn Adventure Game. You can find them here (http://www.crafty-games.com/content/mistborn-adventure-game-downloads).

Please check 'em out on your reader of choice and let us know if they fill, calculate, and save correctly. Obviously we won't be able to solve every issue - there are simply too many OS/reader combinations out there - but we'd like to hit as many as possible, and certainly the majors.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Akerbos on January 05, 2012, 05:17:01 AM
Still no autocalculation on Evince 2.32. Not sure wether Evince even supports that feature; would not be surprised if it did not.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: ComicJam on January 05, 2012, 06:45:56 AM
Still no autocalculation on Evince 2.32. Not sure wether Evince even supports that feature; would not be surprised if it did not.

Probably not, unless Evince can read the fillable data that Acrobat puts in it's pdfs.

Cheers! :D
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Agent 333 on January 08, 2012, 01:38:45 AM
Just a question, if it's not too much to ask: What fonts were used to make the sheets? I have some ideas for fan made materials I'd love to match the L&F of the sheets, but I haven't the foggiest what fonts would look even close.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: ComicJam on January 08, 2012, 11:05:17 AM
Just a question, if it's not too much to ask: What fonts were used to make the sheets? I have some ideas for fan made materials I'd love to match the L&F of the sheets, but I haven't the foggiest what fonts would look even close.

Here's a nice little tip:

When you have any pdf document open, you can look at the Properties found in the File menu or by cmd-D in Acrobat (or ctrl-D if using Windows, I think), and see which fonts were used in that pdf.

Cheers! :D
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Agent 333 on January 08, 2012, 01:08:45 PM
Just a question, if it's not too much to ask: What fonts were used to make the sheets? I have some ideas for fan made materials I'd love to match the L&F of the sheets, but I haven't the foggiest what fonts would look even close.

Here's a nice little tip:

When you have any pdf document open, you can look at the Properties found in the File menu or by cmd-D in Acrobat (or ctrl-D if using Windows, I think), and see which fonts were used in that pdf.

Cheers! :D

Thanks! Hmm... it appears that the primary culprit is a $50 font. I'll have to find a free "close enough" knockoff...
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Agent 333 on January 08, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
Minor Nitpick: There Attributes, but only Standing and Resilience? Shouldn't they all be plural?

EDIT: Actually, this seems to be (mostly) consistent throughout the book. Should I move this over to the typo thread?
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on January 08, 2012, 03:03:29 PM
Minor Nitpick: There Attributes, but only Standing and Resilience? Shouldn't they all be plural?

EDIT: Actually, this seems to be (mostly) consistent throughout the book. Should I move this over to the typo thread?

I had intended to go through and plural-ize all of them but ran out of time.  ::)

It's on the list.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Agent 333 on January 08, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
Minor Nitpick: There Attributes, but only Standing and Resilience? Shouldn't they all be plural?

EDIT: Actually, this seems to be (mostly) consistent throughout the book. Should I move this over to the typo thread?

I had intended to go through and plural-ize all of them but ran out of time.  ::)

It's on the list.

It is supposed to be plural though? So the thing I'm working on should use plurals? Just want to make sure it wasn't intentional.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on January 09, 2012, 01:31:28 PM
It is supposed to be plural though? So the thing I'm working on should use plurals? Just want to make sure it wasn't intentional.

There at three Attributes, three Standings, and three Resiliences, so yes.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Agent 333 on January 09, 2012, 04:13:46 PM
It is supposed to be plural though? So the thing I'm working on should use plurals? Just want to make sure it wasn't intentional.

There at three Attributes, three Standings, and three Resiliences, so yes.

Ok, just double checking.

I'm finally far enough along on the project that I'm willing to reveal it's true nature. It's not ready for release yet, but I can give hints too can't I? I'm currently making templates for MSE (http://magicseteditor.sourceforge.net/) to make index-card sized character sheets for the Mistborn game. They're able to fit a lot of the pertinent information, but size limitations (I really want it to fit on a 3x5 card) means that A) The fonts for traits, tragedy, and destiny are really tiny, and B) there's not enough room on the card for secrets, equipment, or any biographical info other than Name.
My current thought process is that the solution to both problems is make a "page 2", but I'm not sure that's the best solution.

Is there any interest in this? Pat, would you be willing to host the files when its done?
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on January 09, 2012, 08:25:52 PM
Pat, would you be willing to host the files when its done?

We're always open to hosting interesting stuff for our games. Send what you've got along when it's ready (pat@crafty-games.com) and we'll see if it's something that fits in with our other offerings.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: ZetaStriker on January 10, 2012, 11:37:05 AM
Make it so it can print front and back, if you haven't already. You can fit Secrets and Equipment on the back.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on January 10, 2012, 02:46:10 PM
Make it so it can print front and back, if you haven't already. You can fit Secrets and Equipment on the back.

Uh, what? If all you're asking is for us to set the files up to print double-sided, that isn't necessary - you can do it from within your application.

If you're asking for new sheets, or an expansion or significant alteration of the sheets that we have now, I'm afraid that's not possible at this time - at least by anyone here at the home office.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: ZetaStriker on January 10, 2012, 02:48:44 PM
Sorry for not clarifying - I was referring to Agent 333's homebrew notecard character sheets, and how he might fit the missing information on them.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on January 10, 2012, 02:52:14 PM
Sorry for not clarifying - I was referring to Agent 333's homebrew notecard character sheets, and how he might fit the missing information on them.

Ah! Ignore my comment then. :)
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Agent 333 on January 10, 2012, 07:21:38 PM
Make it so it can print front and back, if you haven't already. You can fit Secrets and Equipment on the back.

Yeah, I'm thinking that's what's going to happen. Gonna move Tragedy and Destiny over there too, I think. The way MSE works it'll technically be a separate card with a separate style, but I think it'll work. Probably have room to throw at least a little of the biographical info on there too.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Aminar on February 15, 2012, 11:18:58 AM
If somebody with the right know-how wants to clean up these numbers, I can see this being a handy tool for Mistborn, Sliders, Pulsers, and DM's that want to use them.  The numbers over 20 represent the double burn speed stunts.
Bendalloy
Rating   Seconds in per second out   Bendalloy charges per second   [Most uses per charge]
1           10                                           1 30th of a charge                   30
2           20                                           1 15th of a charge                   15
3           30                                           1 10th of a charge                   10
4           40                                           2 15ths of a charge                     7
5           50                                           1 6th of a charge                     6
6           60                                           1 5th of a charge                     5
7           70                                           7 30ths of a charge                     4
8           80                                           4 15ths of a charge                     3
9           90                                           3 10ths of a charge                     3
10          100                                           1 3rd of a charge                     3
11          110                                           11 30ths of a charge             2
12          120                                           2 5ths of a charge                     2
13          130                                           13 30ths of a charge             2
14          140                                           7 15ths of a charge                     2
15          150                                           1 half of a charge                     2
16          160                                           8 15ths of a charge                     1
17          170                                           17 30ths of a charge             1
18          180                                           3 5ths of a charge                     1
19          190                                          19 30ths of a charge                     1
20          200                                           2 3rds of a charge                     1
Cadmium
Rating   1 Minute in versus minutes out   Time outside the bubble for 1 Charge
1                                                20      13 hours 20 minutes
2                                                40      26 hours 40 minutes
3                                                60      40 hours
4                                                80           53 hours 20 minutes
5                                              100      66 hours 40 minutes
6                                              120      80 hours
7                                              140      93 hours 20 minutes
8                                              160      106 hours 40 minutes
9                                              180      120 hours
10                                              200      133 hours 20 minutes
11                                              220      146 hours 40 minutes
12                                              240      160 hours
13                                              260      173 hours 20 minutes
14                                              280      186 hours 40 minutes
15                                              300      200 hours
16                                              320      213 hours 20 minutes
17                                              340      226 hours 40 minutes
18                                              360      240 hours
19                                              380      253 hours 20 minutes
20                                              400      266 hours 40 minutes
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: oxinabox on July 07, 2012, 01:17:38 AM
I have produced a character sheet for my Alloy of Law conversion.
You can download below
http://oxinabox.ucc.asn.au/files/GameDesignProducts/NewDuskCharacterSheet.pdf (http://oxinabox.ucc.asn.au/files/GameDesignProducts/NewDuskCharacterSheet.pdf)
it is about 106 Kb
(vs the 2.29MB of the original. This is what i get for vector graphics. :-))

If anyone is interested, I'm considering reworking it for Core, I prob won't unless someone expresses interest.
(Fonts change, removal of extra prop rule. Maybe deleting some of the extra top matter fields).

Features:
* Advancement costs for common advancements
* Point allocation summery for strengths during character generation
(in the style of nWoD sheets)

Missing Features:
* Form Fields (I might get round to adding these, and making an interactive sheet)
* Second Page (It is of less universal use, and i haven't gpot round to making it yet)
* something weird is going on with the grey boxes around Standing and Resiliances

PM me if anyone wants the indesign files.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on July 27, 2012, 12:06:47 PM
We've updated all the sheets with small tweaks that occurred in the v2 update, and also added a couple previously exclusive previews to this site and DriveThruRPG (along with one consolidated preview that clocks in at 70 pages. You can find those at the following...

Mistborn Adventure Game Preview and Reviews Page (http://www.crafty-games.com/index.php?q=content/mistborn-adventure-game-previews-and-reviews)
Mistborn Adventure Game Downloads Page (http://www.crafty-games.com/content/mistborn-adventure-game-downloads)
Crafty Games DriveThruRPG Store (http://craftygames.drivethrurpg.com)

If you're still on the fence about the game, go check out the big new preview file and remember, the Digital Edition is currently 25% off at DriveThruRPG as part of the Christmas in July sale (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/97476/Mistborn-Adventure-Game-Digital-Edition&affiliate_id=71282).
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Akerbos on August 04, 2012, 04:27:38 AM
By the way, the calculating sheets work perfectly with Adobe Reader 9.4.7 on Ubuntu 12.04 (and likely all other flavors of GNU/Linux). Very nice!

However, filled-in data can not be saved (in a copy). I don't know if this is an issue of Acrobat or you can influence that when creating the document. It would be nice if we could save filled-in sheets, obviously. This works with Evince.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: MilitiaJim on August 04, 2012, 06:16:48 AM
Not saving is a "feature" of Adobe's readers.

I use Foxit (http://www.foxitsoftware.com/Secure_PDF_Reader/), but they are Windows only.  :(
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on August 04, 2012, 06:55:07 PM
Hm. I think even users with Reader should be able to save. Last time this happened it was because a single check box wasn't clicked (though I wasn't the one who resaved the files, and I don't know where said check box is located). I'll inquire with the sheet creator.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on August 06, 2012, 04:28:56 AM
We've re-saved the following files with full Reader accessibility. They should work for everyone now, but let us know if they don't.

Mistborn_Character_Sheet-Fillable-v3
Mistborn_Character_Sheet-Fillable+Calc-v3
Mistborn_Extras_Sheets-Fillable-v3
Mistborn_Villain_Sheet-Fillable-v3
Mistborn_Villain_Sheet-Fillable+Calc-v3

If you run into trouble, please first try clearing your browser cache and restarting, as the file names have not changed.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Akerbos on August 09, 2012, 02:37:44 PM
Works beautifully now, thanks!
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on August 10, 2012, 01:55:36 AM
Works beautifully now, thanks!

Excellent - and now I know the secret!  ;D
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Kadrok on May 05, 2013, 06:54:43 PM
Is it possible there could be a version of the character sheets with more room for stunts, and more lines for powers? Also, the Brice Caillat character sheets are amazing, I love that they accomodate backstory as well.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on May 06, 2013, 01:28:57 AM
Is it possible there could be a version of the character sheets with more room for stunts, and more lines for powers?

If anyone wants to whip some up, we'll be happy to host them. Unfortunately, we're a little too busy to whip any up ourselves.

Quote
Also, the Brice Caillat character sheets are amazing, I love that they accomodate backstory as well.

They work for me. What browser are you using?
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Kadrok on May 06, 2013, 03:58:39 AM
I think you misread my second sentence.
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Crafty_Pat on May 06, 2013, 05:44:38 AM
I think you misread my second sentence.

I did at that. See what happens when I answer forum posts without sleep? ;)
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: ramblurr on March 12, 2015, 05:50:24 AM
Anyone interested in a roll20 character sheet? I'm in the planning stages for an upcoming roll20 campaign, and I quite enjoy making Roll20 sheets (I've made Firefly and Trail of Cthulhu sheets already).
Title: Re: Mistborn Sheets are Live
Post by: Allomancer11 on March 22, 2015, 07:45:53 AM
Anyone interested in a roll20 character sheet? I'm in the planning stages for an upcoming roll20 campaign, and I quite enjoy making Roll20 sheets (I've made Firefly and Trail of Cthulhu sheets already).
I would love to have Roll20 Mistborn sheets. My game group is split across the country, so this would be awesome.